On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Stephen Bain wrote: Didn't we just cover this already?

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, David Gerard wrote: That example doesn't support your idea. From our article: "Kiev is also based on the old Ukrainian language spelling of the city name and was used by Ukrainians and their ancestors from the time of Kievan Rus until only about the last century." An obsolete spelling is not a mistake.

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, David Gerard wrote: It's a popular culture article. Our rules for sourcing are completely broken for popular culture articles. Moreover, most written material in English comes from the company that mistranslated the name. It's not hard to find sources that do use the right name, though because it's a popular culture article it's just about impossible to find anything that counts as a source by Wikipedia standards: Wikipedia itself described the origin of the name until the person who changed the name also took it out. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tetsusaiga&diff=225145533&… The name 'Tetsusaiga' is a mistranslation from the original Japanese name for the sword. InuYasha's sword is actually known as the 'Tessaiga' in Japanese but due to an error when translating the series from Japanese to English, it became the Tetsusaiga. The smaller version of the hiragana character "tsu" () was mistaken for the larger version of the hiragana character "tsu" (). So, instead of doubling the consonant "s" in the name, a "tsu" was inserted into the name, thus giving us 'Tetsusaiga'. By the time Viz discovered the error, it was decided that it was too late to change the name back to the original. http://www.funtrivia.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=467842&am… "Well, like I said, I directly consulted with someone able to read kana, and they as I quoted above, told me that the correct spelling is "Tessaiga", he even had another double-check this, and that person who double-checked his translation was Japanese born, living in Japan, so I would think it is safe to say they are right."

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Stephen Bain wrote: You read the paragraph, but you obviously didn't read the message. As I said, it's a popular culture source, and our sourcing rules, being academically biased, make it unreasonably hard to source most of those. I wasn't claiming that that was a source by Wikipedia standards, only by real world standards. Of course, there is a source that's good by Wikipedia standards: we've long accepted that a source for information about a work is the work itself. Furthermore, we've accepted that a foreign language source is a source, and the translation of it doesn't need to be separately sourced. Therefore, I can look at the original Japanese version of Inuyasha and read the name off, and that's a legitimate source. The statement about Viz's intentions would have to be left out, but the statement that the sword's name isn't spelled that way in Japanese needs no more sources than that. You're also ignoring that taking out that paragraph doesn't affect the issue of the article's title. Titles, and in general decisions made about an article, don't need sources. The classic example is a Google test; we can use one to decide how to name an article (though it's not very wise here!), what to include, and how much weight to give sections--yet a Google test is, as a source, completely unacceptable. Finally, you're ignoring the common sense issue. All this is irrelevant; giving an article a name that's a mistake, when the mistake and the correct name are both well known and Wikipedia is likely to influence real life usage, is stupid.