On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Charles Matthews <
charles.r.matthews(a)ntlworld.com> wrote:
Ryan Delaney wrote:
The main changes, as explained on [[WP:PWD]] are:
blank pages should show
up
as redlinks, blanked pages should not show up in
search results, blanked
pages must have noindex so they aren't caught by search engines. PWD
doesn't
function otherwise: without these changes, it
would be more confusing
than
beneficial.
Can you point to any wikipedia, or even any wiki, where this system is
implemented?
Charles
There are none of which I'm aware, though I only edit on en.wikipedia so I
might not be the best person to ask.
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Ian Woollard <ian.woollard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 07/11/2009, Ryan Delaney
<ryan.delaney(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Ian Woollard
<ian.woollard(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 07/11/2009, Ryan Delaney <ryan.delaney(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > That's usually a worthwhile suggestion. The reason that won't work
here,
though, is that PWD requires edits to the software to
work. In other
words,
this is an all-or-nothing enterprise-- we'd
probably have to get the
whole
project behind the complete overhaul before
anything could be done.
Obviously, this is a major barrier to implementation.
I don't see any changes to the software are necessary, just the
creation of some templates and some policy. What change is supposed to
be needed?
The main changes, as explained on [[WP:PWD]] are: blank pages should show
up
as redlinks, blanked pages should not show up in
search results, blanked
pages must have noindex so they aren't caught by search engines. PWD
doesn't
function otherwise: without these changes, it
would be more confusing
than
beneficial.
'Blank pages' can be noindexed by using a blank page template, and
will not show up in search results in most cases because they are
blank. Redlinks you could deal with by having a bot fiddle with the
links:
blzh blah [[deletedArticle (deleted)|deletedArticle]] blah blah
This has the unfortunate side-effect that clicking on the redlink to
create the article will tend to create [[deletedArticle (delete)]] but
you could always bot-move it back if that got created and deal with
the links at the same time.
Or you could just ignore red links for the time being since other
processes also fill them in, like wiktionary softlinks.
Hmm, this is interesting. I like the idea of using a noindex template. The
idea with the bot altering the page names could be problematic in the event
of edit wars over deletion though. The idea of the original PWD proposal, as
I understand it, was that PWD would function for most deletions and AFD
would be the a kind of new RFC category where people comment on contested
deletions. That makes sense to me, since we will inevitably have contested
deletions where the parties aren't mature enough to talk it out. If you are
constantly changing the names of the pages, you will have to move them back
and forth, and I don't know if that's going to be feasible.
Still, these are interesting ideas... keep them coming.
- causa sui