New subject: Lists which are sheer nonsense

3 Mar 2003

Jimmy Wales wrote:

...
 As far as I have been able to determine, though,
"American" is often
used by Canadian, British, and Australian newspapers to refer solely
to the United States. 
Yes, even people who object to this usage often lapse into it. The 
term "American" is less cumbersome than "United States citizen," 
which accounts in part for its popularity. Other terms also exist, 
such as "yanks" or "gringos." However, the fact that these usages 
exist doesn't mean we should adopt them for Wikipedia. (I don't see 
anyone advocating that we call this article a "list of gringos.")

...
 We should be highly sensitive to word usages that are
not universal,
particularly if there's a double meaning that's offensive to some. 
The term "American" has multiple meanings, including the following:

(1) pertaining to the continents of North and South America

(2) pertaining specifically to the United States of America

(3) supportive of the U.S. government, politically conservative, 
pro-war (For example, the House Un-American Activities Committee 
declared U.S. citizens "un-American" for various alleged political 
sins. and more recently you can find examples of newspaper columnists 
declaring U.S. peace protesters "anti-American.")

As I stated previously, I don't have any personal objection to usages 
(1) or (2), although I do take offense when people insinuate that 
peace activists are anti-American. However, I think the term "United 
States citizen" should be preferred on Wikipedia because it is more 
precise than "American" and also carries less political baggage.

...
 In making decisions like this, we shouldn't just go
on a vague "urban
legend" that some people might be offended.  Are there authorities
(style guides, for example) which recommend against the usage? 
The fact that some people object to this is not an "urban legend." I 
know people personally who object to it. Also, you can do a Google 
search and find examples of people expressing their objections. For 
example, here's a column from Sonoma Business magazine which 
criticizes the usage:

http://www.sonomabusiness.com/archives/2002-04-column-gizzi.html

You can disagree with this guy's reasoning, but it's not an "urban 
legend" to say that opinions like this exist.

As for style guides, the style guide for the journal of the American 
Anthropological Association says, "#"America or American: For clarity 
use the noun United States  and the adjective U.S. unless a wider 
region is intended":
http://www.aaanet.org/pubs/style_guide.pdf

In a similar vein, "Sea Power" magazine offers editorial guidelines 
for prospective authors, which state, "American. Use sparingly when 
the intent is to describe U.S. citizens, the U.S. military, etc.":
http://www.navyleague.org/sea_power/style_guide.php

In a separate thread, Daniel Ehrenberg wrote:

...
 What about immigrants who haven't gotten
citizenship yet? With any name,
someone will be offended. Besides, do you think the Canadians are really
offended by it anyway? 
It's not just the Canadians. For example, I've spoken with people 
from Latin America who express resentment at the seeming U.S. 
monopoly on the term "American" and think it contributes to the U.S. 
tendency to treat Latin America as "our back yard" (a phrase that 
Ronald Reagan used when justifying U.S. military intervention in 
Central America).

Actually, Daniel's comment demonstrates my point about the vagueness 
of the phrase "Americans." A "list of Americans" could include 
immigrants who don't have U.S. citizenship, whereas a "list of United 
States citizens" couldn't. Thus, "list of Americans" is so 
conceptually vague that it could conceivably include Mohammed Atta. 
He was an "immigrant" who "hadn't gotten citizenship" at the time
he 
flew an airplane into the World Trade Center.

As for the notion that "list of U.S. citizens" might offend 
immigrants, I find this implausible unless we assume that there's 
something unique in this regard about the United States. Why should 
"list of U.S. citizens" be any more offensive than "list of French 
citizens"?
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