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Ian A Holton

20 Jan 2008 20 Jan '08

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Jonathan (Wikipedia)

20 Jan 20 Jan

4:01 a.m.

Yes. Community = place = location. ~Jonathan Ian A Holton wrote:

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Hey! Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial development count as a location? Ian [[User:Poeloq]] P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future reference. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

James R.

4:34 a.m.

A* = Any articles in the mainspace G* = Any articles in all namespaces I* = Any images in the image namespace etc, etc. - E -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" <jonathan.wiki(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities?

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Yes. Community = place = location. ~Jonathan Ian A Holton wrote:

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Ian A Holton

4:38 a.m.

Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused* Ian [[User:Poeloq]] On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:

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Yes. Community = place = location. ~Jonathan Ian A Holton wrote:

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Casey Brown

4:53 a.m.

I think what he was saying is that any criterion that started with A was applicable to anything in the main (article) namespace. On 1/19/08, Ian A Holton <poeloq(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused* Ian [[User:Poeloq]] On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:

Yes. Community = place = location. ~Jonathan Ian A Holton wrote:

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Ian A Holton

5 a.m.

Which isn't true, the rules are quite strict. Which is why I was asking to confirm my interpretation which seems to have been slightly off. Ian [[User:Poeloq]] On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 22:53 -0500, Casey Brown wrote:

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I think what he was saying is that any criterion that started with A was applicable to anything in the main (article) namespace. On 1/19/08, Ian A Holton <poeloq(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused* Ian [[User:Poeloq]] On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote:

Yes. Community = place = location. ~Jonathan Ian A Holton wrote: > Hey! > > Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated community > (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 ) for > speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The admin who > removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated, commercial > development count as a location? > > Ian [[User:Poeloq]] > > P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for future > reference. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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David Goodman

7:12 a.m.

There is a continuing discussion over the extent to which A7 should includes organisations and companies, and the degree to which these terms mean any business or non-profit enterprise whatsoever, and whether this then would imply that a hospital, apartment house, gated community, or the like was included. On Jan 19, 2008 11:00 PM, Ian A Holton <poeloq(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I think what he was saying is that any criterion that started with A was applicable to anything in the main (article) namespace. On 1/19/08, Ian A Holton <poeloq(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Is that supposed to tell us anything? *confused* > > Ian [[User:Poeloq]] > > On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 13:34 +1000, James R. wrote: > > A* = Any articles in the mainspace > > G* = Any articles in all namespaces > > I* = Any images in the image namespace > > > > etc, etc. > > > > - E > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > From: "Jonathan (Wikipedia)" <jonathan.wiki(a)gmail.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:01 PM > > To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD:A7 - does it include gatted communities? > > > > > Yes. Community = place = location. > > > > > > ~Jonathan > > > > > > > > > Ian A Holton wrote: > > >> Hey! > > >> > > >> Just a quick question on CSD:A7. I had speedy tagged a gated

community

> > >> (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 )

for

> > >> speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The

admin who

> > >> removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated,

commercial

> > >> development count as a location? > > >> > > >> Ian [[User:Poeloq]] > > >> > > >> P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for

future

> > >> reference. > > >> > > >>

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Todd Allen

8:47 a.m.

If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7. On Jan 19, 2008 11:12 PM, David Goodman <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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community

> > >> (i.e. a development run by a company, see the article: > > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riverside_Garden_%28Shenyang%29 )

for

> > >> speedy deletion according to A7 (no notability, company). The

admin who

> > >> removed it said A7 didn't apply to locations. Does a gated,

commercial

> > >> development count as a location? > > >> > > >> Ian [[User:Poeloq]] > > >> > > >> P.S: I put them up for deletion at WP:AfD now anyhow, just for

future

> > >> reference. > > >> > > >>

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Bryan Derksen

9:51 a.m.

Todd Allen wrote:

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If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.

But what's the article actually _about_? If there's some company that is generally considered to be non-notable, but they are headquartered in a 500-foot-tall tower that's made of cheese, it seems quite reasonable to have an article about the tower even if we don't have one about the company itself. (Well, as reasonable as possible for someone such as myself who's quite dubious about the value of the concept of "notability" in general - I'm trying to put myself in deletionist shoes here.)

David Goodman

7:46 p.m.

The term "organization" was put in by stealth or accident a few months ago. Before that, the types of articles under A7 were much more limited. On Jan 20, 2008 3:51 AM, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen(a)shaw.ca> wrote:

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Todd Allen wrote:

If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.

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Todd Allen

9:38 p.m.

That's been there for quite some time. I remember "organization" (it might've been "group" then) being part of A7 when I was very first admin, and that's coming up a year now. Regardless, I certainly don't -mind- seeing it less limited, I'd like to see sourcing requirements grow some teeth, and for minimum quality standards to grow some too. There really are a lot of articles done on organizations which assert no notability, I see nothing wrong with speedying them. On Jan 20, 2008 10:46 AM, David Goodman <dgoodmanny(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Todd Allen wrote:

If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could say that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt from A7.

-- Freedom is the right to say that 2+2=4. From this all else follows.

David Goodman

21 Jan 21 Jan

3:02 a.m.

"Organizations" was added, apparently without any specific discussion, by [ http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_del…] as recently as Oct 11, 2007, in the midst of a more general discussion about CSDA7 (now in Archive24).do you have any earlier diffs? On Jan 20, 2008 3:38 PM, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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The term "organization" was put in by stealth or accident a few months

ago.

Before that, the types of articles under A7 were much more limited. On Jan 20, 2008 3:51 AM, Bryan Derksen <bryan.derksen(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > Todd Allen wrote: > > If it's an organization, of course A7 applies. Otherwise, we could

say

> > that any company with a physical address is a "location" and exempt > > from A7. > > But what's the article actually _about_? If there's some company that

> generally considered to be non-notable, but they are headquartered in

> 500-foot-tall tower that's made of cheese, it seems quite reasonable

> have an article about the tower even if we don't have one about the > company itself. > > (Well, as reasonable as possible for someone such as myself who's

quite

> dubious about the value of the concept of "notability" in general -

I'm

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