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daniwo59＠aol.com

4 Jan 2003 4 Jan '03

10:59 p.m.

I agree that these pages are a little absurd. Are we going to start doing pages for everyone's grandfather and grandmother? Danny

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Jimmy Wales

5 Jan 5 Jan

5:47 p.m.

New subject: Walt Disney's genealogy

daniwo59(a)aol.com wrote:

I agree that these pages are a little absurd. Are we going to start doing pages for everyone's grandfather and grandmother?

I agree that there's a limit, but I think we should err on the inclusive side. A biography of my parents would not be suitable for Wikipedia. Hell, a biography of *me* wouldn't be suitable for Wikipedia. But I'm not Walt Disney. --Jimbo

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tarquin

6 Jan 6 Jan

8:10 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

Despite my reputation as a crabby old grouch (and me still in my 20s ... ), I do try and be nice to new users. But with Fwappler I've got to that hair-tearing point. Take a look at these pages: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APluralis_Majestatis http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk%3AFwappler This person seems to completely misunderstand ANY attempt an explaining. Axel has already picked out two of their contributions as possibly crank-science. Am I wasting my time? I mean, what ON EARTH do they mean by this exchange: Me:

I removed "[[Phil Hartman|Bill McNeal]]" because it was a hidden link

I dind't understand. The reader sees one name but is taken to another. Fwappler: I understand now that if the reader "looks up" one name but is taken to another, then the distinction for instance between "[[Phil Hartman:acting as|Bill McNeal]]" and "[[time:portrayed by|duration]]" appears almost irretrievably concealed. Surely We wouldn't want /that/ -- thanks for the lesson. gah???

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Tom Parmenter

8:18 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

Fwappler is (pick one), a suitable case for treatment, a troll, or the most ineffable individual in history. See [[User_Talk:Fwappler]] for data. Tom Parmenter, in my 60s and still a crabby young grouch, Ortolan88 |From: tarquin <tarquin(a)planetunreal.com> |Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 20:10:54 +0000 | |Despite my reputation as a crabby old grouch (and me still in my 20s ... |), I do try and be nice to new users. |But with Fwappler I've got to that hair-tearing point. |Take a look at these pages: | |http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APluralis_Majestatis |http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk%3AFwappler | |This person seems to completely misunderstand ANY attempt an explaining. |Axel has already picked out two of their contributions as possibly |crank-science. |Am I wasting my time? | |I mean, what ON EARTH do they mean by this exchange: | |Me: | > I removed "[[Phil Hartman|Bill McNeal]]" because it was a hidden link |I dind't understand. The reader sees one name but is taken to another. | |Fwappler: | | I understand now that if the reader "looks up" one name but is taken | to another, then the distinction for instance between "[[Phil | Hartman:acting as|Bill McNeal]]" and "[[time:portrayed | by|duration]]" appears almost irretrievably concealed. Surely We | wouldn't want /that/ -- thanks for the lesson. | |gah??? |

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erik_moeller＠gmx.de

8:26 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

Despite my reputation as a crabby old grouch (and me still in my 20s ... ), I do try and be nice to new users. But with Fwappler I've got to that hair-tearing point. Take a look at these pages:

He seems to be relatively harmless. Let's keep an eye on his contributions and ban him if necessary. Regards, Erik

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The Cunctator

9:46 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

On 1/6/03 3:26 PM, "Erik Moeller" <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:

Despite my reputation as a crabby old grouch (and me still in my 20s ... ), I do try and be nice to new users. But with Fwappler I've got to that hair-tearing point. Take a look at these pages:

He seems to be relatively harmless. Let's keep an eye on his contributions and ban him if necessary.

Gah. All this talk of banning is so depressing.

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rednblack＠alum.mit.edu

10:20 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

In message <BA3F6377.5EEE%cunctator(a)kband.com>om>, The Cunctator said:

On 1/6/03 3:26 PM, "Erik Moeller" <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:

He seems to be relatively harmless. Let's keep an eye on his contributions and ban him if necessary.

Gah. All this talk of banning is so depressing.

I agree... seems like people are proposing banning at the drop of a hat, now. I think we're getting lazy. So much easier to shoot the bastards than to talk to them, isn't it? Isn't banning supposed to be the -extreme-, last resort, not something you use after three sentences of unintelligible conversation? To draw an analogy, consider a drunk (appropriate because the drunk is malicious, but not intentionally so, like people who do damage to articles but don't realize they're doing it): the drunk is wandering around, crashing into things. You can a) pick up after him, b) try and sober him up, c) steer him out the door, d) kill him. I think it's unreasonable to say, "Let's let him wander around for a while, and if he continues to be a drunk, let's kill him." Saurabh

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Anthere

10:51 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

--- rednblack(a)alum.mit.edu wrote:

To draw an analogy, consider a drunk (appropriate because the drunk is malicious, but not intentionally so, like people who do damage to articles but don't realize they're doing it): the drunk is wandering around, crashing into things. You can a) pick up after him, b) try and sober him up, c) steer him out the door, d) kill him. I think it's unreasonable to say, "Let's let him wander around for a while, and if he continues to be a drunk, let's kill him." Saurabh

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Erik Moeller

7 Jan 7 Jan

8:58 a.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

I agree... seems like people are proposing banning at the drop of a hat, now. I think we're getting lazy. So much easier to shoot the bastards than to talk to them, isn't it?

Several people have tried to talk to Frank, but he is just blathering incomprehensibly.

Isn't banning supposed to be the -extreme-, last resort, not something you use after three sentences of unintelligible conversation?

If only there were sentences ..

To draw an analogy, consider a drunk (appropriate because the drunk is malicious, but not intentionally so, like people who do damage to articles but don't realize they're doing it): the drunk is wandering around, crashing into things. You can a) pick up after him, b) try and sober him up, c) steer him out the door, d) kill him. I think it's unreasonable to say, "Let's let him wander around for a while, and if he continues to be a drunk, let's kill him."

Terrible analogy. Nobody has advocated banning Frank if he continues doing what he's doing now. Besides, comparing banning to killing is preposterous. Of course Cunctator gets a Pavlovian reaction as soon as someone merely mentions the word "banning" .. Regards, Erik -- +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ NEU: Mit GMX ins Internet. Rund um die Uhr für 1 ct/ Min. surfen!

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The Cunctator

2:40 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

On 1/7/03 3:58 AM, "Erik Moeller" <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:

Terrible analogy. Nobody has advocated banning Frank if he continues doing what he's doing now. Besides, comparing banning to killing is preposterous. Of course Cunctator gets a Pavlovian reaction as soon as someone merely mentions the word "banning" ..

I don't salivate. Maybe you should try being less dismissive.

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tarquin

8 Jan 8 Jan

12:17 p.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

Erik Moeller wrote:

I agree... seems like people are proposing banning at the drop of a hat, now. I think we're getting lazy. So much easier to shoot the bastards than to talk to them, isn't it?

Several people have tried to talk to Frank, but he is just blathering incomprehensibly.

He's found his own corner to blather in: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AWikiProject_Encyclopedic_Network Mav, Elo, Zoe -- take note: he has press-ganged you!! ;-)

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Zoe

7 Jan 7 Jan

12:31 a.m.

New subject: Am I wasting my time?

Fwappler's own home page is unintelligible. I don't understand what he's trying to do with all the curly brackets, pipes and square brackets. Zoe tarquin <tarquin(a)planetunreal.com> wrote:Despite my reputation as a crabby old grouch (and me still in my 20s ... ), I do try and be nice to new users. But with Fwappler I've got to that hair-tearing point. Take a look at these pages: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APluralis_Majestatis http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk%3AFwappler This person seems to completely misunderstand ANY attempt an explaining. Axel has already picked out two of their contributions as possibly crank-science. Am I wasting my time? I mean, what ON EARTH do they mean by this exchange: Me:

I removed "[[Phil Hartman|Bill McNeal]]" because it was a hidden link

I dind't understand. The reader sees one name but is taken to another. Fwappler: I understand now that if the reader "looks up" one name but is taken to another, then the distinction for instance between "[[Phil Hartman:acting as|Bill McNeal]]" and "[[time:portrayed by|duration]]" appears almost irretrievably concealed. Surely We wouldn't want /that/ -- thanks for the lesson. gah??? _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)wikipedia.org http://www.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

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Anthere
daniwo59＠aol.com
Erik Moeller
erik_moeller＠gmx.de
Jimmy Wales
rednblack＠alum.mit.edu
tarquin
The Cunctator
Tom Parmenter
Zoe