--- Tony Sidaway <f.crdfa(a)gmail.com> wrote: Best get cracking on how to get the ArbCom mailing list contents, too.

Tony Sidaway (f.crdfa(a)gmail.com) [060123 10:13]: What Danny needs is a list for matters of similar or greater consequence, e.g. discussions of legal consequence and so forth. You may have noticed how every time Jimbo coughs it's misquoted in newspapers around the world. Perhaps a list with all 800 admins isn't that list, but that's the sort of list he's talking about. - d.

David Gerard wrote:

>What Danny needs is a list for matters of similar or greater consequence, >e.g. discussions of legal consequence and so forth. You may have noticed >how every time Jimbo coughs it's misquoted in newspapers around the world. >Perhaps a list with all 800 admins isn't that list, but that's the sort of >list he's talking about.

Some things do need to be kept confidential, but an organization needs well-defined rules for when things must be kept in-camera. Trying to apply that to a list of 800 would be ludicrous.

On 1/22/06, Hermione1980 <slytherinchaser49(a)yahoo.com> wrote: No. some arbcom discussions need to be private. _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Hermione1980 wrote: The privacy of arbcom deliberation has a completely different basis. They are not about establishing policy, but about the private issues of individual Wikipedians. It would not surprise me to hear that in those heated circumstances the participants do not pay much attention to whether their own statements are defamatory. This list does in fact get frequent complaints from someone who was blocked, but most of those threads don't last long. When an eMail from a person that I don't know begins with "I was blocked ..." I have no problem finding the delete key on my keyboard. Ec _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

There is no such list. We are discussing creating one. Fred

Right. Admins are selected on their ability to be popular, not on their ability to be discreet. This is similar to the reason why we don't let all admins have CheckUser rights. Kelly

On 1/23/06, Jay Converse <supermo0(a)gmail.com> wrote: essentially There are other situations where discreetness may be called for. Direct emails for example.

How can anyone be selected for discreetness on Wikipedia when essentially every action you take can be looked at later?

On 1/22/06, Ray Saintonge <saintonge(a)telus.net> wrote: As someone who occasionally sorts through the Foundation's email, a lot of that deals with the private issues of individuals (Wikipedians or otherwise). I suspect the real solution to this is for there to be two lists, one for debating policy (noisy, public) and one for dealing with real problems (private). Danny can use the second list to feed action items from the Foundation to responsible administrators to deal with them in a responsible and discreet manner.