On Sun, 6 Jul 2003, james duffy wrote:
Geoff Burling wrote
Here we face another problem: why can't we trust that if someone says
she/he is a celebrity, that person is telling the truth? After all,
celebrities
*do* participate on the Internet (Wil Wheaton is one example, but the woman
who used the name Brandy Alexander in several porn movies also was a
regular
on alt.sex.movies for many years.) And I hope that some of these actors &
actresses eventually come to Wikipedia & make useful contributions.
I'd recommend that we trust people to be whom they say they are: if
someone creates the user account of Jennifer Lopez or Gus van Sant (for
example), we take them at face value until it's clear that they aren't
whom they say they are (e.g. "Jennifer Lopez" doesn't understand Spanish,
or "Gus van Sant" clearly has never been to Portland, Oregon in his life),
at which point they are told to change their user name or face being
banned.
Otherwise, we trust that Equity will tell us when someone is not one of
these celebrities, & require better documentation that Equity is whom
they say they are (e.g., a certified letter with a lawyer's letterhead with
a valid phone number will always trump email), & give the user the choice
of either changing their username (unless it's clear that they have been
a nuisence in more ways than this) or be banned. There's an infinite
number of possible usernames out there: I see no profit to Wikipedia in
condoning identify theft.
In normal circumstances I agree that we should trust someone until proven
otherwise. However in Michael's case, his behaviour is such that it becomes
obvious almost immediately that it is him. In the circumstances as we know
Ahmed Best /isn't/ Ahmed Best but Michael, we cannot sit back and allow
Michael to steal Best's name, nor anyone else's, not least because that
would place /us/ in legally complicated waters, if by our inaction though we
knew the facts we allowed the defamation of someone, the theft of a
trademark, on wiki. And and anyone who has ever clashed with them on such
issues knows, Equity and Lucasfilm do not tend to politely ask you why did
you let this happen. They use the law, and they have some of the best
lawyers at their disposal.
As so often unfortunately Michael is a unique case. While in the case of 99%
of wiki users we can give them the benefit of the doubt, there are clearly a
small but dangerous number of people (Michael & DW being two examples
currently but more will no doubt arise in the future) where past history
shows they will simply use our tolerance as a means to damage wiki.
I guess I wasn't clear in my post, because I see James is responding to two
seperate, although related items.
1. Trusting people to say who they actually are. IIRC, my original point
was that in our zeal do deal with certain people, we should be careful
about identifying a new contributor as one of these individuals & treating
her/him accordingly.
2. Use of copyright material. Setting aside my own beliefs on the use &
abuse of copyright, I'm in agreement with current Wikipedia policies:
when in doubt, don't submit it. (One reason I haven't been submitting
scans of objects from Classical Times from museum & exhibit catalogs
I own is that I don't want to make Wikipedia a target for a suit from,
say, the British Museum or Dumbarton Oaks. Oh well, I hope Wikipedia
will be around in 2020 when I plan to upload illustrations from my
collection of old _Antiquity_ magazines.)
And Lucasfilm isn't the only corporation that is stingy about use of
its materials: a certain arrangement of three circles are apparently
too evocative to people of a certain cartoon mouse, & may not be used
without permission. Best that we forbid uploading even third-party
creations of certain television & movie subjects, such as Star Wars,
Star Trek, & the Warner Brothers/Walt Disney cartoons.
If I were to offer my opinion, it would be to give them what they want
& just boycott all use of these corporate images! Maybe then they'll
knock off this attempt at perpetual copyright. (But I said I wasn't going
to offer my opinion, so forget I said anything.)
Geoff