New subject: [Wikitech-l] A proposal to de-table Wikipedia infoboxes

5 Mar 2009

Hay wrote:

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   By Hakon Wium
Lie of Opera:

 http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2009/wikipedia/infobox/

 What is the likelihood of making as much as possible CSS? How to make
 infoboxes degrade gracefully for non-CSS browsers and IE users?  
 I don't know if making such an infobox that does not support IE6 and
 IE7 is a good idea. If you would take out all inline style elements
 and replace with them classes that are available in a general
 stylesheet it would already safe a lot of the cruft in the original
 code. 
I agree that graceful degradation for IE6/IE7 users is an issue. The
purpose of the case study was first and foremost to explore how
Wikipedia's markup can be simplified and improved when CSS 2.1 is
fully implemented -- like it is in Opera, Firefox, Safari and IE8. I
didn't even test in IE6/IE7.

I think it's possible -- with some careful crafting -- to make things
look ok, but not pixel-perfect in legacy browsers. In lynx, the
table-free version looks better than the original one, but IE6/IE7
users outnumber lynx by a some magnitudes. 

I'll look into tweaking the style sheet to aim for graceful degradation. 

However, I also think the web should not be hostage to IE6/IE7
forever. Some designers have declared war on IE6 for this reason:

  http://blog.wired.com/business/2009/02/norwegian-websi.html

Cheers,

-h&kon
              Håkon Wium Lie                          CTO °þe®ª
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