Exactly, these suggestions are obviously for the sole purpose of allowing a certain clique to perpetually stay in power. These ideas aren't just bad, they're ridiculous and clearly don't represent the best interest of Wikipedia in the slightest. I'd say any admin who actually thinks these ideas are good should have their admin status removed, since it is quite obvious that they are only interested in perpetuating their power status. Sadly, apologists will defend this to the end despite the motives behind it being patently obvious. It also ignores history too, under what historical context has something like this ever been a good idea? Exactly true and the proponents of this absurd idea don't have the slightest understanding of internet sociology, this definitely falls under the "too many cooks" category. I have yet to encounter a medium-large sized channel with a dispropotionately large number of ops that wasn't full of power tripping morons. In any case, this policy is a bit too outlandish even by WikiHerd standards, so it won't ever get voted in. The only thing I'm worried about is that the admins will act on it as policy even though it's never been voted in, acting under their own personally appointed authority. Sadly, that's a likely possibility considering they already interpret real policies and imaginary policies as they see fit and freely get involved in content disputes. All it really would accomplish is making Wikipedia a laughing stock since, as I've said, the idea isn't just wrong, it's clearly insane. ---------------------------------------------- Nathan J. Yoder http://www.gummibears.nu/ http://www.gummibears.nu/files/njyoder_pgp.key ----------------------------------------------