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Steve Bennett

4 Apr 2006 4 Apr '06

9:21 a.m.

On 4/4/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I've seen 7 in a row on a private mailing list I administer...

I've never really understood why mailing list softaware can't/won't/don't strip them out automatically. It's not as if the regexp to do is complicated. Steve

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David Alexander Russell

4 Apr 4 Apr

9:46 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program Cynical Steve Bennett wrote:

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On 4/4/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I've seen 7 in a row on a private mailing list I administer...

I've never really understood why mailing list softaware can't/won't/don't strip them out automatically. It's not as if the regexp to do is complicated. Steve _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Steve Bennett

9:58 a.m.

New subject: Footers (WAS: Re: Deleting the Lolicon picture)

On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell <webmaster(a)davidarussell.co.uk> wrote:

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David Alexander Russell

10:01 a.m.

New subject: Footers (WAS: Re: Deleting the Lolicon picture)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 True - but could I add that if everyone put their message ABOVE the quoted text, rather than below, then this issue would be moot anyway (since we wouldn't need to go through the endless footers in order to get to the message) Cynical Steve Bennett wrote:

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On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell <webmaster(a)davidarussell.co.uk> wrote:

Heh, in this case, there is no problem - anyone likely to use PGP to sign their messages is extremely unlikely to forget to trim their message footers. And the worst case scenario is that you do forget to trim a message footer, it gets done for you, and someone's mail reader says "this PGP message does not compute" and checks with you. So, a small number of messages from a small number of users would cause a small problem. Steve the quantifier _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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Alphax (Wikipedia email)

1:51 p.m.

New subject: Footers (WAS: Re: Deleting the Lolicon picture)

David Alexander Russell wrote:

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Steve Bennett wrote:

On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell <webmaster(a)davidarussell.co.uk> wrote:

Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the time of sending by the user's encryption program

True - but could I add that if everyone put their message ABOVE the quoted text, rather than below, then this issue would be moot anyway (since we wouldn't need to go through the endless footers in order to get to the message)

A: Yes.

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Q: Are you sure? > A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?

Steve Bennett

1:54 p.m.

New subject: Footers (WAS: Re: Deleting the Lolicon picture)

Why does bottom posting suck? On 4/4/06, Alphax (Wikipedia email) <alphasigmax(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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David Alexander Russell wrote:

Steve Bennett wrote:

On 4/4/06, David Alexander Russell <webmaster(a)davidarussell.co.uk> wrote:

A: Yes.

Q: Are you sure? > A: Because it reverses the logical flow of conversation. >> Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?

-- Alphax - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax Contributor to Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia "We make the internet not suck" - Jimbo Wales Public key: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alphax/OpenPGP _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Because you had to wade your way through all that crap just for this stupid remark. Ok, let's move on, shall we? Steve

Mark Gallagher

2:04 p.m.

New subject: Footers (WAS: Re: Deleting the Lolicon picture)

G'day Steve,

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Why does bottom posting suck?

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Because you had to wade your way through all that crap just for this stupid remark. Ok, let's move on, shall we?

Naw, hang about a bit. Nobody's actually stupid enough to literally bottom-post without snipping anything ... well, some people are, I guess, but what do you expect? They're made of straw. Top-posters don't snip. Also, they eat kittens and have scaly skin. Bottom-bosters (also known as "interleavers" or "the chosen ones") snip, smell really nice, and are good friends in time of need. Remember that. -- Mark Gallagher "What? I can't hear you, I've got a banana on my head!" - Danger Mouse -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/300 - Release Date: 3/04/2006

Ben McIlwain

5 Apr 5 Apr

8:19 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 David Alexander Russell wrote:

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For what it's worth my mail client (Thunderbird with the EnigMail plugin) figures it out just fine. It highlights the part of the message that has been signed. On this list, that doesn't include the footer. - -- Ben McIlwain ("Cyde Weys") ~ Sub veste quisque nudus est ~

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David Alexander Russell

10:52 p.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yes (incidentally I'm using Thunderbird with Enigmail too) but my point was that if the mailing list _server_ stripped out the footers _after_ the user had signed the message, if the footers were included in the signed part of the message (most packages, Enigmail included afaik, sign the entire message by default including any quoted part of replies) then the signature would return an error by checked by the user at the other end Cynical Ben McIlwain wrote:

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David Alexander Russell wrote:

> Because any modification of the message post-sending would royally screw > any digital signing of the message (which me, Alphax, and a couple of > other people use on this list) which relies on a hash computed at the > time of sending by the user's encryption program

For what it's worth my mail client (Thunderbird with the EnigMail plugin) figures it out just fine. It highlights the part of the message that has been signed. On this list, that doesn't include the footer. -- Ben McIlwain ("Cyde Weys") ~ Sub veste quisque nudus est ~

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