--- Daniel Mayer <maveric149(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Eh? I don't remember calling for two types of
sysops. I've only advocated for
sysops to have the ability to block vandals who have
happened to log-in. The
particular method by which I proposed this was
simple; allow sysops the
ability to see the IPs of logged-in users.
Here
http://www.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-April/002351.html
extract
"BTW, when I say "policy" while posting to WikiEN-l I
usually mean policy for en.wiki. There does seem to be
consensus for allowing sysops to see the IP numbers of
logged-in users on en.wiki but there obviously is no
consensus for this to be a global policy. This feature
could be turned-off by default and decided on a
language-by-language basis as far as I'm concerned. On
en.wiki at least, there are enough sysops and enough
people watching the sysops to ensure proper checks and
balances. Jimbo is also fluent in English so it is
easy for him to investigate alleged abuses."
You suggested that the discussed policy was only for
english wikipedia. You mentionned the fact policy
could be decided differently on other wikis. In short,
that means that there could be two different types of
sysop depending on which wikipedia one is sysop
For example, were this type of rule changed decided on
the english wikipedia, but not on the french
wikipedia, an english sysop could see my ip on the
english wikipedia, but me, on the french could not see
the ip of that english person.
Right ? This is a two level sysophood.
And likely, if rules begin to be different between
wikipedias, users will have to start remembering which
rules are followed on which wikipedias.
I still think this is the best solution.
I still do not.
For privacy sake
For giving even more power to sysops than they already
have
Were ips given, it could at least be displayed for
everyone. You cannot expect an occasional user (not
very up to date in terms of rules) to guess some
people (quite a lot of people) see things that he
doesnot. People often expect database admin to see
this info, but they also know these latter are
submitted to an ethics of discretion.
And I still believe this is a very dangerous option,
which could limit the freedom of editing of some
people.
I think next step will be to require people to give
their body information, maybe identity card number,
picture, phone number and so on.
This is a bad move
Perhaps our
previous disagreement was
based on the above misunderstanding? I would have
opposed a two-level sysop
scheme too.
Good. And so I think this type of change is a
wikipedia wild change, not an english restricted
change.
Let's make it simple : change nothing !
note : I made an effort to write wikipedia instead of wiki...
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