At 04:41 PM 5/30/2003, you wrote:
Hi all look we all know that I can be more than a
little abrasive when
people I dont know come in out of nowhere and accuse me of not knowing my
facts, or lying about history. Its one of my weaknesses. I hope everyone
also knows that I generally try to be patient and get people to work
together (even if its in what Mr. Kemp calls teacher mode), asking
specific questions, giving specific examples, etc. I hope that my
positive contributions over the long haul outweigh the negative ones. If
thats not what people think, I really should just take off ;-)
The most recent unpleasantness is really weighing on me. Llywrch e-mailed
me and asked me to feed no trolls while he tried to get some cooperation,
and I pretty much have but in the meantime, if you look at the user
contributions, you will see that really nasty accusations about me and, to
a lesser extent, and one who has tried to step in, all over the
site. They are almost entirely taken out of context or deliberate
misunderstandings or misquotes.
I also believe that this person has shown up in at least two other guises
in the past, and had run-ins with, or left comments about me or my
contributions in each persona almost all repetitions of the old HJ
controversies, but with a French nationalist flair. The person is now
also accusing me of forcing others in some way to join in a persecution,
and also claims that I regularly try to get people to leave through
bullying and intimidation (boredom and wordiness perhaps &). Oddly
enough, some of the people he seems to be saying I forced outare the very
people I think are his other personae.
Not only is there a possibility of the troll-like habit of changing
identities, but I notice that many of the excuses given to others as to
why he cant get along is because of a cross-cultural language
problem. While it is true that he writes these comments in a quaint and
stilted manner, his tirades (especially those directed against me) are
amazingly fluid and use lots of polysyllables (apparently, several of us
cant be understood because our words are complicated its kind of like that
old SNL skit about the defrosted cave-man).
Anyway, could someone not currently involved (or who has not yet been
blasted) PLEASE take a look? Theres a frightening amount of commentary,
but I think this person is not in any way aware of how to work with others
or really interested in participating in a positive manner. I am not
using the bword, but if that is already something this user is under (it
has been suggested hes DW), then its not a problem. If its not, perhaps
someone with a Voice of Authority (and in his eyes, the only authority is
Jimbo, whose wrath he threatens regularly) could ask him nicely to quit
his abuse and play nice?
Thanks!
Julie
Now, I'm not saying that I believe this... I certainly wouldn't want anyone
to take this the wrong way and think that I was accusing anyone of anything
or besmirching anyone's good name, but:
Some people seem to think that T may be one and the same as JD, look at the
similarity of some phrases and attitudes, particularly the use of the odd
"somebody called X" or "somebody who calls themselves X" and other
similar
phrases. It has also been suggested that T is the same as the
probably-about-to-be-banned V, and that their "conversation" is either
between comrades or an attempt by one individual to confuse things.
Again, I'm not saying that I believe this, draw your own conclusions.
Oh, for the record, there have been certain users lately, no names of
course, who have been attempting to distort the way that the Clovis issue
has gone down. I trust that everyone who is truly interested is going to
read ALL the articles before they jump to conclusions. I'd hate to see
anyone unfairly characterized as a troll.... almost as much as I'd hate to
see a troll unfairly characterized as a legitimate contributer.
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Dante Alighieri
dalighieri(a)digitalgrapefruit.com
"The darkest places in hell are reserved for those who maintain their
neutrality in times of great moral crisis."
-Dante Alighieri, 1265-1321