Jimmy Wales wrote:
In these entries there are very very very VERY VERY
VERY often comments
which suggest a suspicion that the entry was vanity.
"Non-notable scientist vanity. Has very few publications. If he ever
publishes anything he should submit the page again then." -- paraphrase
of example problematic comment
This is actually how a friend of mine, Steuard Jensen, first got
interested in Wikipedia. He's somewhat notable amongst theoretical
physicists and J.R.R. Tolkien researchers (both small communities) and
someone put an article up about him. Which was promptly AFD'd with lots
of comments about his assumed vanity in writing it. His name is on lots
of pages Google references so it gets lost in the shuffle and wasn't as
big a deal, but still not a good thing.
1. A general meme that it is extremely discourteous
without absolute
positive proof to speculate that the author of some non-notable
biography is the subject himself or herself. Yes, it is often true, but
there is zero gain to us from assuming this rather than assuming the
opposite. We really don't care who wrote it: we care if it is worthy
for inclusion or not.
Human nature. You can try to get people to be 'nice'. With alot of work
you can even do it... for a while. However, after going through the
thirtieth bio about J. Smith who won the Kramer County spelling bee
championship (or whatever) >someone< is going to make a comment. Even if
that somehow weren't the case... AfD is in many ways >inherently<
offensive. It declares a person/group/whatever 'not notable'... when
they will quite often disagree.
The whole 'Blooferlady' incident (on articles for 'Joseph Vargo' his
band), which I believe you got involved in, is a good example. She and
her partner sold quite alot of records and met alot of the listed
standards for music notability... but she was writing an article about
her business partner (which also had POV issues) so people voted to
delete it... and then she had this Google hit saying that her partner
was an un-notable hack. Yes, she was clearly trying to use Wikipedia to
'advertise' and that might well be a reason to delete, but not to put
out what amounts to >negative< advertisement.
2. At the close of all VfD debates, the discussion is
deleted. If there
is a need to have a stub page left there to guide people to the fact
that there was a prior debate, then create that stub fresh, with the
history gone. In the event it is needed, the history can always be
resurrected by some admin.
Any way we can keep them out of Google works for me. Whether that's
deleting, blanking, putting them on 'ignore' lists, or whatever... any
of those options would be better than the current situation.