"People here who don't understand why the Durova incident was a big deal for some need to understand that it precipitated a crisis of confidence.

And an excellent analysis by User:WAS 4.250 on what all the fuss is about regarding the initial block, the private/secret list etc. "People here who don't understand why the Durova incident was a big deal for some need to understand that it precipitated a crisis of confidence. A year ago (27 December 2006) we were told on by Kelly Martin on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard: It seems that people have forgotten (or perhaps even never known) why #wikipedia-en-admins was created. The purpose was to have a forum where Foundation people (Jimbo, Brad, Danny, et al) could discuss high-priority issues requiring urgent action with trusted admins in a non-public place. Why non-public? Because these issues generally involved matters which were the subject of press attention or of threats of litigation, or otherwise prone to creating difficulties for the Wikimedia Foundation if not dealt with quickly and, as much as possible, quietly. Unfortunately, the channel was quickly compromised (there have been several instances of logs being leaked to various unscrupulous parties who have used them to try to create embarrassment or otherwise complicate the Foundation's efforts to avoid being embroiled in negative publicity or litigation), and as a result, such situations are now managed through other, even more secret, forums. We could shut down the #wikipedia-en-admins channel, but that wouldn't get rid of the nonpublic backchannels. It would just change their names and disperse the participants somewhat. At least #wikipedia-en-admins is an obvious channel name; it is certainly more informative than one of its progenitors, #fluffykittens. Major administrative decisions have been made, at times, in these backchannels. Some of them have been quite momentous. In most of those cases, the decisions that have been made have been decisions that could not possibly have been discussed, let alone made, on the public wiki, but nonetheless have had to be made. This is a situation where the exigencies of real life, a universe which is replete with dastardly beasts such as reporters, pundits, and attorneys, force us to dispense with a full and open public discussion because doing so is the only way to avoid a vicious nasty lawsuit that would at best cripple and at worst utterly destroy Wikipedia. You don't have to like this. I'm not really all that happy about it either. But it's the way things are, and it's not something that's going to go away any time soon. So, anyway, that's the "vital information" that gets passed through IRC backchannels like #wikipedia-en-admins, and why it cannot be passed through the public noticeboards. If you're not an admin doing crisis management for the Foundation, then you probably don't need to be there. But it would rather nice of those of you who are not doing crisis management for the Foundation to at least afford the assumption of good faith to those who are. And keep in mind that there's always the chance that if you do see an admin do something inexplicable, it might be a crisis management action, and that perhaps a polite private inquiry should be your first line of action, instead of an incendiary post to one of the noticeboards. Kelly Martin (talk) 02:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC) The Durova incident email we read, the description of its having been reviwed and approved, the agreement by many admins in the first hour that the block should not be overturned except by arbcom and that the evidence was such that it could not be given to the community for evaluation, and the frantic efforts to delete evidences needed by the community to evaluate the situation; all led people to doubt what we have been told about what goes on behind closed doors around here. It led to a crisis of confidence, a doubting that we were being told the truth, a doubting in the judgement of the people in charge of what goes on behind closed doors. Efforts to say take my word for it and to delete evidence strengthened the appearance that the words were different than the facts. You must understand that when someone questions whether you are lying saying "I am not lying" does not help. Evidence is needed. That is what is going on. WAS 4.250 13:55, 30 November 2007 (UTC)" -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l