---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Jeff Raymond" <jeff.raymond(a)internationalhouseofbacon.com>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:54:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community review
On Wed, May 23, 2007 11:50 am, Fred Bauder wrote:
No, any user or administrator who is following
the terms and intent of
Biographies of living persons may remove grossly inappropriate material
or
delete an offending article even if almost
everyone else on Wikipedia
objects.
Fred, are you willfully ignoring the questions, or are we missing
something here? If Administrator A deletes the entire article saying
"this was grossly inappropriate," and it wasn't, but no one can see it,
you seem to have suggested that it's Too Damn Bad - that DRV might not be
the right forum, and that "dispute resoltion" is the next step.
Uh, you realize what that creates, right? I'm going to hopefully assume
your wording was unclear in your statement that suggested that we should
automatically trust that administrators aren't going to cite BLP to delete
articles when there's no BLP violation.
-Jeff
--
If you can read this, I'm not at home.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud(a)waterwiki.info>
To: "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:55:53 +0000
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community review
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Raymond [mailto:jeff.raymond@internationalhouseofbacon.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:39 PM
To: 'English Wikipedia'
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] BLP, and admin role in overriding community
review
On Wed, May 23, 2007 11:36 am, Fred Bauder wrote:
If the person removing or deleting material
asserts Biography of living
persons as a basis then that policy rules until there is community
consensus or an Arbitration Committee decision to the contrary.
So you're essentially saying that an administrator can remove an article
completely from view of anyone else, claim BLP regardless of whether
there
was a violation, and we simply have to live with
it until ArbCom gets
around to it? Your prior comments seem to indicate that a DRV of the
material would not be appropriate, after all, and it's not like anyone's
actually allowed to review it.
-Jeff
You have correctly restated my position. However an administrator who
repeatedly does this when there are no violations is going to eventually get
his ears pinned back.
Fred
=======================
This is the same type of Friendly Advice that I was trying to give on the
Rfc.
Issues related to Biographies of living persons take precedent over other
aspects of the situation. Depending on the exact situation this means that
some decisions are going to stand temporarily (that may be for days or in
some rare instance months) that will later be changed. But immediately
rehashing the issue over and over because you disagree is not acceptable in
these cases because it has the potential to draw too much negative attention
to the living person and defeats the purpose of the policy.
If an administrator repeatedly misapplies policy then the administrator
needs to be counseled or perhaps desyopped. That should be handled through
regular channels.
Sydney