David, Chris, please cool and let it lay. Those who are involved in the
decision can see clearly what happened, and draw their own conclusions. It
doesn't help anyone here to keep on about it. I'm sure they will deal with
it at some time, and until then nobody will be misled by its existance.
Looking at who got fooled... overall, many people, on multiple wikis, got
fooled, as a community. The enwiki voices were also highly vocal in
enabling, and in being willing to trustquestionable sources. It's not just
"one party" or "one side" that helped this happen. We all did, and
that's
the only basis of understanding we can improve for the future, with.
Enwiki Arbcom has learned -- the Archtransit and Poetlister cases in 2008
stand in contrast to the original Runcorn ban in 2007. Both had much more
complete disclosure, to minimize risk of "smoke" and rumor. That was a
direct lesson for us from that earlier case. A lesson for the wider enwiki
community is, when we say X is not actually good evidence, or Y is
disproven, we might actually know what we're talking about, and take it
seriously rather than "politicizing" it. We shouldn't presume to tell other
wiki communities (or indeed WR) what to make of the case - they're figuring
out their own views on what went on and will do so without interference from
others.
FT2
On Sun, Sep 14, 2008 at 3:59 PM, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
2008/9/14 Christiano Moreschi
<moreschiwikiman(a)hotmail.co.uk>uk>:
Another good point. It's really a syndrome of
"en's younger brothers"
mentality. Said syndrome is usually marked by
far more relaxed discipline
than on en, and considerable antipathy towards en people who dare suggest
that en standards might actually be better.
This mentality, as I read it, is how Poetlister
got a foot in the door at
WQ: how the accounts there still aren't all banned
and retain most
privileges, how an attempt to merely tag them as socks based on FT2's meta
report got reverted, and it also explains this thread:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ANI#admin_abuse:_block_on_wikitionary
Personally, I think some chips need to come off
shoulders here. There
needs to be greater cross-project cooperation, not pointless
hostility for
the sake of it.
The en:wq problem is fundamentally Aphaia enabling Poetlister's
activities there, apparently due to resentment of en:wp or something.
I think a detailed explanation from her is in order at this time.
- d.
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