(I am copying this to wikien-l, since the 1-Click-Tool is relevant
specifically to the English Wikipedia. However, this is a Foundation
issue.)
Apparently Answers.com has filed a lawsuit against Babylon, a
competitor creating an innovative (if proprietary) software product --
see atttached message. Answers.com claims Babylon violates one of its
patents.
The Wikimedia Foundation has business relations with Answers.com.
Answers.com, which mirrors Wikipedia content, has provided funding to
Wikimania and Wikimedia, and there was an announcement last year for a
new partnership about a Wikipedia-branded version of Answers.com's
"One-Click-Answers":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tools/1-Click_Answers
This announced partnership, while initially controversial, as of the
last message from Jimmy Wales is scheduled to go ahead:
http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-February/006055.html
Certainly, it is not practical to only engage in business partnerships
with companies whose behavior in its entirety our community in its
entirety considers ethical. We are partnering with Yahoo!, in spite of
their cooperation with the Chinese regime, for example. However, the
proposed 1-Click-Answers partnership would go further than that, since
the patents covering this exact tool are apparently at the heart of
this lawsuit. From the article excerpted below:
The technology is used in one of Answers' core software products,
1-Click Answers, which can be downloaded for free from its Web site,
said Jay Bailey, Answers' marketing director.
Babylon makes a one click answer tool, which as of recently integrates
Wikipedia content. I am a former Babylon user; their software made
huge waves when it first was released for Windows many years ago due
to it being fairly clever at identifying words on the screen even in
images (you then see translations, definitions, etc.). The Answers.com
patent in question was only granted in 2004 according to the article,
and Babylon claims they got a similar patent in 2001 already. It seems
very much like a predatory bad faith lawsuit to me, and an abuse of
exactly the kind of patents that software patent critics oppose, but
that is my personal judgment. In general, it is considered good form
in the IT industry these days to use software patents only
defensively.
>From the information I have seen so far, it seems to be entirely
within the realm of possibilities that Answers.com would also sue an
open source project which is allegedly in violation of its patents. I
have known about these patents for some time, so I have asked Jimmy
months ago to ask Bob Rosenschein of Answers.com for an affirmation
that they would use patents only defensively; Jimmy promised to ask,
but I have not heard from him since then.
Now, our own philosophy on these matters is clear. Wikimedia is
entirely running on free software and does not even allow the use of
patent-encumbered file formats like MP3. It does not therefore seem
proper to me to engage in a partnership with regard to the
1-Click-Answers tool. It would be like becoming friends with someone
while you watch them point a gun at someone else; the next bullet
might be for you. I don't have a strong opinion on the other
partnerships with Answers.com, but I think this specific one should be
cancelled ASAP.
This is especially true as the details of the deal -- how we highlight
the existence of this tool -- were highly controversial to begin with.
I have also seen no actual revenue projections which would indicate
this is a compelling idea, and I doubt such projections can be made
with any accuracy.
I would be interested in what others think, and in any missing pieces
of information. Failing this, I strongly suggest that the issue is put
before a Board vote if it is still relevant, given this fundamentally
new situation.
Erik
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mathias Schindler <mathias.schindler(a)gmail.com>
Date: Mar 22, 2006 10:08 AM
Subject: [WikiEN-l] [Slightly OT] Answers sues Babylon
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
(...)
http://www.newyorkbusiness.com/news.cms?id=13132Answers.com owner sues Israeli tech firm
by Amanda Fung
Answers Corp., the Manhattan-based creator of Answers.com, said
Wednesday that it sued an Israeli company to stop it from using
technology that links a user's computer with a central database over
the Internet.
The lawsuit, filed with the Tel-Aviv District Court, claims that
Babylon Ltd. infringed on Answers' Computerized Dictionary and
Thesaurus Applications patent. Answers got the patent in 2004, nine
years after it first applied.
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/tm.site/news/BREAKING%20NEWS/190036/http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060308/ukw014.html?.v=45
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Hi all,
I've made a a greasemonkey (google it) script for firefox that lets
you filter your watchlist. It adds six buttons to your watchlist page,
letting you filter out Wikipedia: pages, User: pages etc etc.
http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/stevage/HideWikipedia.user.js
Runs on Firefox 1.0.7
I'd love your comments.
Steve
I saw this added recently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Stewart
Consider how some other articles like this were blanked or changed, what
is appropriate here?
Jonathan
Regarding http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special:Captcha/help :
it says "Please contact the site administrators for assistance if this
is unexpectedly preventing you from making legitimate posts." but
doesn't have a button to do so.
Anyway, e.g., I have images turned off in my browser, so come up with
a word quiz.
Hmm, wikibooks not wikipedia? OK sorry.
On 18 Mar 2006 at 14:42, Philip Welch <wikipedia(a)philwelch.net> wrote:
> You have images turned off in your browser? Are you using Netscape
> 4.7 or something?
>
> There are many important features waiting for our developers to
> implement. Supporting 1990's era web browsing is not one of them. I
> suggest you use a modern browser to browse Wikimedia sites in the
> future.
Wikipedia is the last site I'd expect to be telling people "Get a
better browser, loser!" What are you going to do next, add user-
agent sniffing to turn people away if they're not using the right
browser, resolution, or operating system?
Anyway, Firefox and the Mozilla/SeaMonkey Suite, to name a couple of
fully modern browsers, offer the configuration option to disable
images.
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As I looked at slashdot.org today. I saw a message yesterday about the
possible patent violation when a lack of B12 to homocysteine is mentioned.
Here is the wikipedia article that follow the claim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegan_nutrition
The quote is simple: "Vitamin B12 destroys Homocysteine, a neurotoxin
the body naturally produces."
The patent would make it invalid to include such claim without royalty.
The news article is entitled "The essay breaks the law" by Michael Crichton.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/opinion/19crichton.html?ex=1300424400&en=…
Freakin' POV pushers!
Jonathan
Hello,
If someone uses a primary source, should the context be quoted directly?
If it is not, would that constitute original research? Another words, if
someone takes the primary source and interprets it to his or her own
need, it does seem like a re-creation of a primary source. It's like
original research in an attempt to make the primary source a secondary
source.
I've seen this kind of discussion before. The result was that all
scholarly work is always based on secondary scholastic sources. That
does not give an answer to the primary sources as above, but it does
shed some insight into non-scholarly source creep.
Feedback is appreciated.
Jonathan
Africa was brought up in discussion of verifiability. This raises an important question, should/can we be lax references for African content in en?
Suppose a tribes' elder writes an article on his village, he'll do it based on oral history, or one-off documents. This information may be recorded in books, but these books are stashed away in libraries miles upon miles away.
What happens then? It's true information, but there's little or no available sources for the writer to cite.
Nick/Zanimum
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