And Tony Sidaway is the person who posed as a female (sherilyn(a)demon.net) who started this whole thing by sending complaints to my providers trying to nuke my accounts--HE taught me how to do it because my provider (Earthlink.net) sent me a copy of the complaint. I then retailiated in kind (killing at least 100 accounts in the process) and we have been at this for 9 years because of him and his bright idea to try to make someone more intelligent and capable than he, look like a "kook." I still (as you can see) have that original Earthlink account, because my provider saw what was happening to me and stood by me.
I have been really disappointed in not only his behavior, but the ruination of such a potentially valuable tool such as usenet for sharing ideas across the world. It has driven everyone into moderated groups where one is at the mercy of less than objective or fair moderation.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Sidaway <minorityreport(a)bluebottle.com>
Sent: May 5, 2005 1:04 PM
To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Abuse of your services
David DJ Hedley said:
> I'm assuming:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt.usenet.kooks
>
> Clearly mentions him.
>
There used to be an [[Edmond Wollmann]] article, created back in early
January. I cleaned it up to get the worst POV crap out, then supported a
VfD which was successful. I'm sympathetic to the idea of removing the
reference from the [[Alt.usenet.kooks]] article because it is not
essential to the article and, frankly, any kookiness Edmond may ever have
possessed is more than matched by others. I speak as the person who first
nominated him for KOTM in 1998.
However anything of this kind removed from the article would likely be
restored within minutes.
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If it is not removed I will file a lawsuit for damages and MAKE you remove it.
-----Original Message-----
From: David 'DJ' Hedley <spyders(a)btinternet.com>
Sent: May 5, 2005 1:38 PM
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Abuse of your services
Is this group itself even notable? 5,100 Google hits, and minusing the
Usenet indexes, thats not much.
As for mentioning names, I think it is fine, if presented in the right way.
Saying "Given the 'honour' of being named 'Kook of the Year'" isn't really
the way to put it, as stating 'honour' in quotation marks is NPOV in itself.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Gerard" <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au>
To: <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com>; "English Wikipedia" <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Abuse of your services
> slimvirgin(a)gmail.com (slimvirgin(a)gmail.com) [050506 06:15]:
> > On 5/5/05, David Gerard <fun(a)thingy.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
> > > Actually famous Usenet crank. More coherent than Sollog. Lots of
material
> > > on skeptictank.com .
>
> > I think the point here is that WP policy states that we must used only
> > reputable or credible published sources as secondary sources, and
> > Usenet doesn't count as that. It can be used as primary-source
> > material for information about itself, but it can't be used as a
> > secondary source of information about someone else, especially not
> > when we're using a person's real name (unlike the case of Sollog).
>
>
> Uh, [[alt.usenet.kooks]] is an article about a Usenet group.
>
>
> - d.
>
>
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Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/http://home.earthlink.net/~arcturianone/
Pleasze remove all references to my companies and myself or face legal action--immediately
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-----Original Message-----
From: Astrological Consulting <arcturianone(a)earthlink.net>
Sent: May 5, 2005 1:49 PM
To: "Poor,Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com>,
English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>,
Seth Ilys <seth.ilys(a)gmail.com>, slimvirgin(a)gmail.com
Subject: Re: Corrected (was: Abuse of your services)
I demand that my name be removed immediately. This is your last c hance to explain why you choose to defame my companies.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com>
Sent: May 5, 2005 1:47 PM
To: Astrological Consulting <arcturianone(a)earthlink.net>,
English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>,
Seth Ilys <seth.ilys(a)gmail.com>, slimvirgin(a)gmail.com
Subject: Corrected (was: Abuse of your services)
I have edited the article about the "alt.usenet.kooks" newsgroup to
clarify the fact that Wikipedia is not labelling anybody. The label of
"kook" is now attributed to that newsgroup's subscribers.
Particularly galling may have been the article's sympathetic adoption of
the newsgroup's POV. It referred to the label (in positive terms) as an
"award". This has been changed in two places: (1) to the neutral term
"label" and (2) to the negative term "branded".
Moreover, a polite note assures readers that Wikipedia does not endorse
but merely reports - a fact which may be lost to those who are not avid
students of Wikipedia's neutrality policy.
Best wishes to all.
Uncle Ed
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(C) 2005 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/http://home.earthlink.net/~arcturianone/
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(C) 2005 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/http://home.earthlink.net/~arcturianone/
I demand that my name be removed immediately. This is your last c hance to explain why you choose to defame my companies.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Poor, Edmund W" <Edmund.W.Poor(a)abc.com>
Sent: May 5, 2005 1:47 PM
To: Astrological Consulting <arcturianone(a)earthlink.net>,
English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>,
Seth Ilys <seth.ilys(a)gmail.com>, slimvirgin(a)gmail.com
Subject: Corrected (was: Abuse of your services)
I have edited the article about the "alt.usenet.kooks" newsgroup to
clarify the fact that Wikipedia is not labelling anybody. The label of
"kook" is now attributed to that newsgroup's subscribers.
Particularly galling may have been the article's sympathetic adoption of
the newsgroup's POV. It referred to the label (in positive terms) as an
"award". This has been changed in two places: (1) to the neutral term
"label" and (2) to the negative term "branded".
Moreover, a polite note assures readers that Wikipedia does not endorse
but merely reports - a fact which may be lost to those who are not avid
students of Wikipedia's neutrality policy.
Best wishes to all.
Uncle Ed
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(C) 2005 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/http://home.earthlink.net/~arcturianone/
I have edited the article about the "alt.usenet.kooks" newsgroup to
clarify the fact that Wikipedia is not labelling anybody. The label of
"kook" is now attributed to that newsgroup's subscribers.
Particularly galling may have been the article's sympathetic adoption of
the newsgroup's POV. It referred to the label (in positive terms) as an
"award". This has been changed in two places: (1) to the neutral term
"label" and (2) to the negative term "branded".
Moreover, a polite note assures readers that Wikipedia does not endorse
but merely reports - a fact which may be lost to those who are not avid
students of Wikipedia's neutrality policy.
Best wishes to all.
Uncle Ed
-----Original Message-----
From: Delirium <delirium(a)hackish.org>
Sent: May 5, 2005 1:27 PM
To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Abuse of your services
slimvirgin(a)gmail.com wrote:
>On 5/5/05, Delirium <delirium(a)hackish.org> wrote:
>
>
>>slimvirgin(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>But the article, [[Alt.usenet.kooks]], *is* about UseNet, so of course
>>it is relevant to use UseNet in that case as a primary source for
>>information about itself. The article simple states the verifiable fact
>>that this usegroup has given out "Kook of the Year" awards to several
>>people.
>>
>>
>
>And that's fine, Mark. But we can't name the people.
>
>
Why not? We name a lot of people on Wikipedia. Basically, anyone who
has achieved any sort of notability, whether good or bad.
-Mark
Then name my Book, website, accomplishments in academia, the astrological field, my artwork:
http://www.e-wollmann.com/gallery_9.htm
And everything else I have accomplished in my 50 years on the planet????
Edmond H. Wollmann P.M.A.F.A.
(C) 2005 Altair Publications, SAN 299-5603
Astrological Consulting http://www.astroconsulting.com/
Artworks http://www.e-wollmann.com/http://home.earthlink.net/~arcturianone/
Since when is calling someone pathetic names to get back at them for cancelling your account, a "verifyable fact" of anything other than backyard bully crap?
-----Original Message-----
From: Seth Ilys <seth.ilys(a)gmail.com>
Sent: May 5, 2005 1:28 PM
To: slimvirgin(a)gmail.com, English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)wikipedia.org>
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Abuse of your services
On 5/5/05, slimvirgin(a)gmail.com <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> And that's fine, Mark. But we can't name the people.
If it's a verifiable fact that's germane to the article and presented
within the NPOV guidelines, why can't we name them?
--
Seth Ilys
email: seth.ilys(a)gmail.com
IM (aol, msn, yahoo): JehanneDaix
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--- Geoff Burling <llywrch(a)agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
> One useful step would be to help educate our fellow
> Wikipedians about
> what Templates there are, which ones would work best
> -- & which ones should
> be deprecated.
Very true. I'd love an easy-to-use Template or
Category Table of Contents or Index.
RickK
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--- Pete/Pcb21 <pete_pcb21_wpmail(a)pcbartlett.com>
wrote:
> Rick wrote:
> > --- Erik Moeller <erik_moeller(a)gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> >>Today I dealt with three very questionable
> >>templates:
> >>
>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Unencyclopedic
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Nonnotable
> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Vanity
> >
> >
> > None of these is a "new" template. They have been
> > around and have been used for quite some time now.
> >
> > There is also a proper process for getting rid of
> them
> > -- the Templates for deletion procedure.
> >
> > RickK
> >
>
> {{subst:Response doesn't address question}} ~~~~
{{m:instruction creep}}
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