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>From: N.T. Riche [mailto:vonriche@yahoo.com]
>Could you please point me to some of these attacks (by iris only because I'm aware of Lir's).
You're kidding right? Don't worry, as soon as the AC accepts irismeisters case I'll post plenty of them to the evidence page. In the meantime I suggest you read the iridology talk page, my talk page (you'll have to check the history as I usually delete on site) and the AM talk page. Go over the archives as well.
>The real reason Knott I agreed with MNH is because I'm being pressured into it by Iris and Lir
>(although lir is not editing anymore he contacts me a lot on aim).
Well that's a very noble reason for agreeing with someone, I must say. You don't have a will of your own?
>Yes I am aware that MNH is a Pov pusher BUT A.M. needs to merely be re-worded not to have large sections removed.
I haven't removed large sections. All I'm trying to do is whip AM into shape as a well written NPOV article. I do remove irrelevant stuff, I make no apologies for this. I do add stuff as well. If you think you can do a better job of NPOVing an article against MNH's POV pushing then why don't you have a go?
>Please join the irc channal, i know your bedtime may be different from mine but im from vegas anyway and im usually up at 3 am PST, which is 11 am your time.
11am I'm at work. Plus to be honest I don't trust you. You seem like you are working for peace, yet you are allowing yourself to be pressured by Lir and irismeister (Lir! For crying out loud! Surely you can stand up to her!) And you haven't bothered to cite instances where I supposedly made personal attacks, despite my asking you to. So if it's all the same to you, I'd rather use talk pages, where everything is kept for the record, and no one can accuse me of saying something I didn't.
Theresa
Is any one else bothered by the current state of [[Anti-French sentiment in the United States]]?
The article now presents a set of "accusations" which include some of the worst, most tasteless clichés, all presented in psuedo-objective style. Would anyone with a strong stomach care to tackle this stuff?
I think Wikipedia should do better than this but I am not quite sure how.
V.
>Sheldon Rampton wrote:
>
>When I use material from the Wikipedia in the Disinfopedia, I put in
>a line of attribution at the bottom of the article. For example,
>Disinfopedia's [[Richard A. Clarke]] article includes the following
>line at the bottom, with links back to Wikipedia article:
>
> >Note: A version of this article also appears in the Wikipedia.
>
>If you want to do something similar when moving Disinfopedia material
>into the Wikipedia, it would be appreciated but isn't obligatory.
>It's not like we're in a position to sue over it.
Hmmmm, I hadn't thought of that. I've imported several Disinfopedia
articles and had plans for a couple more. I think it's good for us to pool
our efforts where applicable. I'll go back and add an attribution for
Disinfopedia. I figure I can just put that under ==References== at the end,
right?
Nat Krause (the eponymous user)
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> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] [[Anti-French sentiment in the United States]]
>>
> I think it's of some cultural interest---the US and France have had a
> stormy relationship for quite some time (which isn't yet fully
> documented in that article), and even Mark Twain in the 19th century
> was
> known to make some anti-French cracks. The US perception towards
> France
> is important both culturally (the perception of French as snooty and
> aristocratic, and Parisians as promiscuous), and, in the 20th century,
> politically.
Presumably, at least some of this was inherited by the United States
from the longstanding rivalry/competition/enmity between Britain and
France? I vaguely recall something happening in 1066... and some short
guy in a funny hat who kept sticking his hand in his shirt...
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NOT a rhetorical question.
I've been very puzzled by an apparent consensus or policy--one with
which I obviously do not agree--that recipes in particular, and
didactic or "how-to" articles in general, do not belong in Wikipedia. I
can give cogent-to-me reasons for not agreeing with this. But I don't
want to discuss that now.
Here's what I want to know. Is this an example of a difficult,
carefully-threshed-out consensus that newer Wikipedians, having not
participated in that consensus, may be unaware of?
(And if so why isn't it documented on any of the policy pages I've been
able to find?)
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Dear mailing list readers,
I don't know if this is the proper place to turn for
help. If it isn't, then please tell me because the matter is
urgent. Wikipedia is a fine resource and contains very much
useful information. Reading Wikipedia is fun, and every day
since I discovered it I've learnt a thing or two by reading
it. But its coverage about programming and computer software
is a little thin I think. Well, I'm quite knowledgeable when
it comes to computer related topics and I love to write. So,
therefore I took it upon me to fix this defiancy.
Big mistake it seems, some people didn't like that at all.
Especially not a user by the name RickK, who a few minutes
after I had written an initial version of "XFree86 logfile"
added it to a page "Votes for Deletion" on which he is
currently holding a vote whether that page should be destroyed
or not. Naturally, I protested strongly, because I couldn't
and still cannot understand why he wants to delete that
page. He didn't try to communicate with me and just wrote
"Huh?" and then when I asked him why he thought that that
page should be deleted he answered "It isn't discussing
anything encyclopedic. I THINK it describes a file format,
but I'm not really sure."
>From that it became obvious to me that he hadn't even read
the article because it should be pretty damn obvious to
anyone that an article titled "XFree86 logfile" is about the
XFree86 logfile. And that I told him that, whereafter he
listed all other six articles I had written:
glDrawElements, glVertexPointer, glDrawArrays, glEnable,
GL_QUADS, fbdevhw
And wrote: "I'll ask again. Do we really want articles on
subroutines?" Which is really funny since only the four
first documents subroutines.
Then quite a few other users also said that they wanted
those articles destroyed. No reasons where given except for
pointless platitudes like "not encyclopedia material" and
"Wikipedia is not (should not be) an API reference".
I tryid arguing and, no offense intened, but it was totally
wasted time. Those functions are the essential cornerstones
for modern 3d graphics.. Have to realize that some people
just have a very different view of things than me. However,
I refuse to accept that Wikipedia in general would have such
a twisted view of things because then there wouldn't be
250,000+ articles here.
Then I wrote the beginning of an article named pcidata,
which is a X module for displaying PCI information. Two
minutes after it was submitted a user named Beelzebubs wrote
"Speedy deletion" on it and a minute later it was destroyed
by DavidWBrooks. It made me quite angry because I had no way
whatsoever to even object. And from looking at their
respective user pages I deducted that none of them is
interested in Linux and therefore (probably) has no idea
what pcidata is.
It seems like Wikipedia really isn't a very newbie friendly
page. Well, I can't exclude UtherSRG's very friendly
message on my talk page. Is this some kind of hazing or are
regular users treated like this too? Seems like a calculated
move - tease the new guy til they fight back and then accuse
them. Especially this little gem by the same user that also
accused me of being rude:
"But I'd recommend you leave listing them to users with good
contribution records, and the same with discussing this
one. AFAIK all the many articles you have written so far
have been listed for deletion and will be deleted as
unencyclopedic. IMO you aren't entitled to vote on
VfD. Sorry." Andrewa....
I need help. Because I don't know what I should do. Either
it is so that my work and expertise isn't appreciated or
even accepted by Wikipedia. If so, I will leave peacefully
and not return. If not so, I would expect an apology from
the perpetrators and that my work is not destroyed.
//Björn (aka. Eric B. and Rakim)
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I find this whole recipe argument kind of odd. What's wrong
with sample recipes? Someone can, for instance, read the
article about tapioca and not get a very complete
understanding of it. But a recipe that the reader can make
can provide a far more complete understanding of tapioca.
Here's a possibility: have a Wikibooks cookbook that all
the food articles can link to (that is, pointing to specific
recipes).
--
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I want to do some Wikipedia articles based on Disinfopedia articles.
They're GFDL. But what is the proper way to carry over authorship
information? Cut'n'paste the Disinfopedia page history (they use
MediaWiki too) to the Talk page? Acknowledgement link at the bottom
of the page, as we use for FOLDOC or Jargon File-based articles?
(What I'm attempting to do is fill in some of the links on
[[Alexis de Tocqueville Institution]]. The Disinfopedia article on
them is in ==External links==; what I want to do is import some of
the articles linked to from their article on the AdTI.)
- d.
Plato that's the second time you said you've seen me commit attacks on lir and irismeister. I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Please point me to these attacks. (irismeister has made hundreds of attacks on me, lir called me scum, and a fucking bitch, but I didn't call her anything as far as I can recall)
As for staying away from one another, I refuse to allow MNH to remove all negative comments on AM.He is POV pushing. We have a NPOV policy and I will enforce it to the best of my abilities. I will not allow the quality of an article to go down just because MNH is the sensitive type who takes every disagreement as an attack. Moving an infobox from one place to another in order to improve the look of an article is not an attack. I only have thee AM pages on my watchlist. AM itself, Iridology, and reflexology. If MNH wants to avoid those articles that's fine by me.
Theresa
-----Original Message-----
From: N.T. Riche [mailto:vonriche@yahoo.com]
Sent: 20 May 2004 19:20
To: wikien-l(a)Wikipedia.org
Subject: [WikiEN-l] Theresa Knott Vs. Mr. Natural Health
These two users are at it again with this on-going edit war on Alt. Medicine. Now i have seen the page and the main dispute is over Osteopathy (a subject i know nothing about but i will investigate it). Franky in your defense ms. knott it does sound poved...but I'd say it just needs to be re-worded not removed completely. Now I have seen Knott commit Ad hominem on users such as lir and Dr. Dan, but John (MNH) has also done the same with that "I'm a Nazi from New York" attack on Robert, (I took insult to also myself because I'm Gypsy in ancestry). My suggestion for both of you is to avoid each other, and have a neutral observer re-word the Osteopathy part of the article. Now I'd suggest Arbitration but the committee usually favors the sysop.
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1) [Cue Homer Simpson voice] Mmmmmmmmm... key... lime... pie!
2) It's really worth searching out a short story by John Collier entitled
"The Touch of Nutmeg Makes It." Most likely source is an omnibus volume of
his stories entitled "Fancies and Goodnights" which is (shamefully) out of
print, but (fortunately) available in many libraries. And second-hand
bookstores. (And if anyone buys it and doesn't like it, you may send it to me
and I will pay you whatever you paid for it. I already have a copy, but I can
always use extras to give away...) I won't divulge details except to say that
a) it's a really, really good story, and b) relevant to the topic at hand.