[Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2

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Steven Walling

29 Mar 2013 29 Mar '13

7:39 p.m.

Hey all, I was going to just email Denny and Lydia about this question, but I am like most editors and I'm lazy, so I preferred to post on my home project Village Pump. ;-) I have some concerns surrounding the user experience implications of Phase 2, especially if properties syntax starts getting used in article content outside infoboxes. Specifically, I mean what it's going to be like for the vast majority of people who will end up interacting with this syntax, namely local Wikipedia editors. The thread is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Wikidata_p… To be clear, this is a big question, and I don't think it's something that can be answered or dealt with before Phase 2 is launched on enwiki or other places. Steven

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Federico Leva (Nemo)

29 Mar 29 Mar

7:51 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2

Steven Walling, 29/03/2013 19:39:

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The thread is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Wikidata_p…

Doesn't seem to be en.wiki-related, so I'll reply here: "normal users" are not able to edit infoboxes anyway, so Wikidata is the first step to make infobox data more easily editable: we're already seeing this with interwiki links (except for Commons, whose situation worsened because it's outside the circle). There was a time when we thought Semantic MediaWiki with its forms (or other hacky forms) were the way, but probably Wikidata will be serving this purpose too. Nemo

Michael Hale

7:54 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2

I didn't know about the VisualEditor initiative, but I use the wikEd gadget that you can enable under your preferences for the English Wikipedia. It makes links to images clickable while editing, among other things. If we could get a similar experience to link to a Wikidata item that could be a good first step.

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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 19:51:43 +0100 From: nemowiki(a)gmail.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 Steven Walling, 29/03/2013 19:39:

The thread is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Wikidata_p…

Michael Hale

8:36 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2

I wrote on the wikEd developer's talk page and said I could help out if needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cacycle/wikEd#Inline_links_to_Wikida… still wouldn't help first time editors that come across the syntax unexpectedly though. We should make sure it is described on the help page you can get to from the article editing page. From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:54:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 I didn't know about the VisualEditor initiative, but I use the wikEd gadget that you can enable under your preferences for the English Wikipedia. It makes links to images clickable while editing, among other things. If we could get a similar experience to link to a Wikidata item that could be a good first step.

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Michael Hale

8:49 p.m.

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We'll probably also want a template for Wikidata like the one for Wikiquote, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikiquote I can go ahead and make it if it doesn't already exist somewhere that I haven't found. From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 I wrote on the wikEd developer's talk page and said I could help out if needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cacycle/wikEd#Inline_links_to_Wikida… still wouldn't help first time editors that come across the syntax unexpectedly though. We should make sure it is described on the help page you can get to from the article editing page. From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:54:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 I didn't know about the VisualEditor initiative, but I use the wikEd gadget that you can enable under your preferences for the English Wikipedia. It makes links to images clickable while editing, among other things. If we could get a similar experience to link to a Wikidata item that could be a good first step.

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The thread is at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Wikidata_p…

Michael Hale

9:26 p.m.

New subject: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2

Oops. As of yesterday a template does exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikidata From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:49:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 We'll probably also want a template for Wikidata like the one for Wikiquote, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikiquote I can go ahead and make it if it doesn't already exist somewhere that I haven't found. From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 I wrote on the wikEd developer's talk page and said I could help out if needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cacycle/wikEd#Inline_links_to_Wikida… still wouldn't help first time editors that come across the syntax unexpectedly though. We should make sure it is described on the help page you can get to from the article editing page. From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:54:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 I didn't know about the VisualEditor initiative, but I use the wikEd gadget that you can enable under your preferences for the English Wikipedia. It makes links to images clickable while editing, among other things. If we could get a similar experience to link to a Wikidata item that could be a good first step.

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ahmad yoosif kalil

30 Mar 30 Mar

7:02 p.m.

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gıv men mane From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 16:26:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 Oops. As of yesterday a template does exist. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikidata From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:49:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 We'll probably also want a template for Wikidata like the one for Wikiquote, etc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikiquote I can go ahead and make it if it doesn't already exist somewhere that I haven't found. From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 15:36:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 I wrote on the wikEd developer's talk page and said I could help out if needed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cacycle/wikEd#Inline_links_to_Wikida… still wouldn't help first time editors that come across the syntax unexpectedly though. We should make sure it is described on the help page you can get to from the article editing page. From: hale.michael.jr(a)live.com To: wikidata-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 14:54:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] The experience for (local project) editors, post-Phase 2 I didn't know about the VisualEditor initiative, but I use the wikEd gadget that you can enable under your preferences for the English Wikipedia. It makes links to images clickable while editing, among other things. If we could get a similar experience to link to a Wikidata item that could be a good first step.

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