An example using the second suggestion: If I would like to query all L-items that contain a combination of

limit those results by getting the Q-items of the language and limit

those that have Latin influences. In my imagination this would work better using the second suggestion.

flexibility of "what is a language" and "what is a dialect" would seem

we can attach statements to the UserLanguageCode or the Q-item of the

-Tobias

Hoi, The standard for the identification of a language should suffice.

Hoi, The standard for the identification of a language should suffice.

For instance, we not only need identifiers for German, Swiss and Austrian German. We also need identifiers for German German before and after the spelling reform of 1901, and before and ofter the spelling reform of 1996. We will also

need identifiers for the "language" of mathematical notation. And for various

The only system I know that gives us that flexibility is Wikidata. For interoperability, we should provide a standard language code (aka subtag). But a language code alone is not going to be sufficient to distinguish the different variants we will need.

- use Q-Items instead of UserLanguageCodes for Multilingual texts (which would be quite a migration)

I don't think restricting Wiktionary4Wikidata support to the list of languages with a UserLanguageCode is a viable solution, which would happen if we implement the data model as currently suggested, if I understand it correctly.

I foresee that might be a bit of a problem for external tools

this data - how they would figure out what language it is if it's doesn't have a code? We could of course generate fake codes like mis-x-q12345, maybe that would work. Q-items for languages already have a property to state their language

just an extra hop away.

I tried to see how the ISO codes and IANA language subtags compare with Glottolog's 8,444 entries under languages (http://glottolog.org/ glottolog/language) and Ethnologue's 7,099 living languages ( https://www.ethnologue.com/), but couldn't find any comparisons or comparative lists. Will it be possible with these new developments in Wikidata to query for these possibilities, and leave the options open for a growing list of languages, as well as an universal translator? And how will invented languages be added, such as Krell, Elvish and Klingon (and even other species' languages in emergent interspecies' communications), and possibly per OpenNMT (Neural Machine Translation) - http://opennmt.net/ (and possibly GNMT); see also Peter Norvig's recent article in the regards to OpenNMT and invented languages - https://medium.com/@peternorvig/last-tweets-of-the-krell-82b8cb74c320 (and per http://scott-macleod.blogspot.com/2017/04/falco-peregrinus- smartphone-that-could.html). Scott On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Daniel Kinzler < daniel.kinzler(a)wikimedia.de&gt; wrote: Am 07.04.2017 um 01:34 schrieb Denny Vrandečić: consuming code. It's We want ISO codes (or rather, IANA language subtags [1]), so we can use them in HTML lang attributes, and in RDF literals. This allows interoperability with standard tools. For this reason, I also favor a mixed approach, that allows standard language tags to be used whenever possible. I have some ideas on how that could work, but no definite plan yet. Something like de+Q1980305 could work; when generating HTML or RDF, we'd just drop the suffix. For transligual entries (e.g. the for number symbol i), we could use e.g. mis+Q1140046. [1] https://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag- registry/language-subtag-registry -- Daniel Kinzler Principal Platform Engineer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. _______________________________________________ Wikidata mailing list Wikidata(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata -- -- - Scott MacLeod - Founder & President - World University and School - http://worlduniversityandschool.org - 415 480 4577 <(415)%20480-4577> - http://scottmacleod.com - CC World University and School - like CC Wikipedia with best STEM-centric CC OpenCourseWare - incorporated as a nonprofit university and school in California, and is a U.S. 501 (c) (3) tax-exempt educational organization. IMPORTANT NOTICE: This transmission and any attachments are intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or exempt from disclosure under applicable federal or state laws. If the reader of this transmission is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify me immediately by email or telephone. World University and School is sending you this because of your interest in free, online, higher education. If you don't want to receive these, please reply with 'unsubscribe' in the body of the email, leaving the subject line intact. Thank you.