Maybe you could incorporate a link to the International codes for languages and expand the language code to the full name?
Carol
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I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of
interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less
than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for
languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for
several reasons, the most prevalent being that I want to see
1) How many links to that page are there in that language?
2) How many items (and which items are these) that are in the articles
category in that language?
I tend to only do this for the larger Wikipedia projects, where I do this
regularly as a trick to track down articles in foreign languages that are
good candidates to translate into English (the fathers/sons/siblings of
painters).
Jane
2013/1/8 Platonides <platonides(a)gmail.com>
> On 08/01/13 22:31, LD 100 wrote:
> > I would preferred if this could also be changed by each users
> > individually in the settings (maybe the settings could be set
> > globally)
>
> Although preferences are evil, I see the point for customizing this.
> Having ar: in the top if I have no idea of that language is useless, I
> would prefer to sort first those languages I could understand, perhaps
> with a separator from those I definetely don't know (others might want
> to completely hide those).
>
>
> On 08/01/13 22:41, Meng Lu wrote:
> > It's an interesting point. I personally would prefer seeing the
> > Wikipedia instance's own language and English stay at the top, followed
> > by the rest in alphabetical order. A longer stretch might be
> > providing alternative ordering methods for languages such as
> > alphabetical order, descending sizes of that page in each Wikipedia
> > instance.
>
> Article sizes are not a perfect estimator for article quality, but seems
> decent enough. However, it should be able to be overriden by marks of
> Featured-article / Good-article when some of the entries are tagged as
> such.
> Con: Any edit potentially means purgin the entries for all interwikis.
> Although if the interwiki sort order is stored in wikidata, and we
> perhaps aren't actively purgin the squid entries, that shouldn't be a
> problem.
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Good evening/morning/etc. (choose as your continent requires)
In Hungarian Wikipedia there is a rule: always the English interwiki is the
first, and the others alphabetically follow it. We had and sometimes still
have long, long debates, talks, discussions and quarrels about that, and
this is the result. (I feel responsible for having forgotten to list this
topic on hu:WP:LAME.)
So, will Wikibase client know and follow this rule?
--
Bináris
Hi all,
We did yet another version of the inclusion syntax (admittedly, the last
one is a few months old).
We decided to very much simplify the syntax and also the ability of the
inclusion syntax, and depend on anything more complex than what will be
possible with that syntax on Lua.
I am expecting that a lot of people will not like this idea.
Therefore I will start two threads: first this one, where we discuss the
merits and details of the new proposal.
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Notes/Inclusion_syntax_v0.3>
And a second thread where we discuss whether the new proposal is too
restrictive and what needs to be absolutely added so that we will not be
considered a total failure.
Cheers,
Denny
P.S.: yes, I learned that we should not have too many topics per thread
starter. Let's see if this gets any feedback at all :)
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The time and location parsers have been updated (but not all suggestions
yet implemented, still working on them).
More importantly, the data model for the values has been updated according
to the discussion we had here. If there are no strong arguments against,
this is what we are going to implement for now.
Time:
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Representing_values#Ti…
>
Location:
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Representing_values#Ge…
>
Cheers,
Denny
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Hi folks -
As an introduction: I'm working with local non-profits that service
low-income people in the District of Columbia, and one of the common
problems (which we seem to share with communities everywhere) is the lack
of a comprehensive directory for what resources (food pantries, public
housing, health care, etc) are available in the community. (We've written
up a brief about this problem
here<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sntMVolLvbhpAFvM0L9pHlcp0LXwXiqcRF89MqZ…>
.)
Later this month, I'll try to tackle this project as part of a research
residency <http://provisionslibrary.com/?page_id=16614>. We have access to
at least three large databases of social services that we can try to merge
together and make usable and peer-productive, so to speak. I can assemble a
team of social workers, software developers, data geeks, and regular users.
I wonder if the Wikidata project could be what our effort needs -- whether
our developers could experiment with your technology to try to merge and
open up these community resource data sets. If so, how would I go about
exploring that opportunity? If however the time is not yet ripe, you may
have other valuable insights for us as we undertake this experiment.
Thanks for any help you can offer!
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• gjb <http://flavors.me/gjb> •
202.643.3648
Heya folks :)
I wanted to give you a heads-up about the next steps for Wikidata
deployment. In this particular case it is about the first Wikipedia
actually using language links from here. A while ago we discussed this
with the Hungarian Wikipedia community and they agreed to be the first
to use Wikidata. (Thanks so much!) We're now getting closer to the
date where this will actually happen. As it currently looks we will
flip the switch on January 14th. Obviously unforseen stuff might
happen and delay this but that's our current plan. More Wikipedias
should follow soon after that and I will keep you posted when I have
more concrete info about the dates for those.
Let me know if you have any questions about this.
Cheers
Lydia
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Hello all!
Sorry for my ignorance, if this is common knowledge: What about lists?
I know they are not very popular (or completely unsupported) but my
bot maintains several list like player rankings, currency exchange
rates or similar for infoboxes, see e.g. [1]-[7]. The bot uses
external sources (e.g. an URL) an retrieves data (e.g. a list of
player rankings) and syncronizes/updates the data in the wiki.
Now as I can see the idea would be to have an item for each player and
then a property "ranking" containing the value. But that would mean we
have to split up data given in a list and spread it over thousands of
items (update all of them) in order to use a query to re-collect them
into a list and deliver it to the infobox as before. Furthermore would
it cause a huge effort setting up the configuration for the bot since
we would have to connect every (of the 1000+ players) with the data
from the external list needing an own bot configuration. In case
somethings changes on the external site we would have to update all
those configurations.
As I see an item containing a list would be possible. But at the
moment every list entry or item would need a new property to be
created and filled with one or more claims. While this would be
technical feasible it seams strange to create thousands of properties
just for one single usage in one item.
On the other hand it it would be possible to have claims/statements
that contain not only a value but a key-value pair, then somthing like
sketched in [8] (p32) could be easily done with a simple configuration
on the according talk page.
So I hope we can find a solution here, since this would help to have
the most recent data on wikidata with minimal effort.
Thanks and greetings
DrTrigon
[1] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Elo-Punkte
[2] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Wechselkursdaten/EZB
[3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox Kreditinstitut/DatenDE
[4] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox Kreditinstitut/DatenAT
[5] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox Kreditinstitut/DatenCH
[6] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Infobox
Kreditinstitut/DatenDE/Quelle
[7] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:ITTF-Weltranglistendaten
(there are examples on enwiki and others too...)
[8] http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Q356
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Hi all,
continuing from last weeks data values discussion, I would like to invite
comments on the following prototypes for understanding points of time and
points on Earth.
<http://simia.net/valueparser/time.html>
<http://simia.net/valueparser/coordinate.html>
What it currently does not do is:
* i18n (it's in the code, but not properly exposed yet)
* enable dates like "Date of birth: 437-436 BC"
Working on both still, but I'd like to have a first round of feedback.
Happy 2013,
Denny
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Hello Wikidata,
First of all: Happy new Year, folks!
I met you at CCC-Congress in Hamburg.
It is great, for me, to have seen you there.
About 10 month ago, i wrote you an email with the idea of wikidata, and the question, if something is in the pipeline(a)wikimedia.com within this matter (please find below in German), because I had the idea of working out everything within BI-Software.
Me and 2 friends (see CC) feel still very dedicated to this idea, just to use BusinessIntelligence-Technologies like Jedox (Jedox.com - OpenSource) to combine all kind of offered OpenData's to get freak out new informations, just by one (first) sight. You never know, what kind of informations can be found, when combining everything with everything…for me the most exciting pastime, as can be. while next possibility is, to model and simulate all kinds of political ideas based on real(-time) data and not just idealistic mathematic formulas and theorems. It could not also bring new input to politics, it could also bring paradigm shift in economic science...
But before starting all over by ones own, my question would be, if there are already projects running somewhere on the world.
It's rather better to join, than having to do all by oneself.
But up to now, I only found some about DataVisualisation and DataJournalism.
I would be very happy, if somewhere anywhere in the world is a group of previsional experts, planning the world 3steps ahead within the most intelligence software as can be...
I was asked at CCC-Congress to write you an email within this.
Would be very nice to hear from you, at least this time...
Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Tobias Grenzing
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Am 06.02.2012 um 23:21 schrieb Tobias Grenzing:
> info(a)wikimedia.de
> Hallo ihr großartigen Wikimedia-Leute,
>
> ich beginne gerade den Gedanken an eine neue Projekt-Idee in die Welt zu streuen und Sympathisanten zu suchen, bzw. ihre Realisierbarkeit zu checken.
> Es kommen derzeit viele alternative Wirtschaftsmodelle in Umlauf.
>
> z.B. gibt es zur Zeit
> 1. das Bandbreitenmodel - http://www.bandbreitenmodell.de/
> 2. den PlanB der Wissensmanufaktur.net
> 3. die Monitative der Piraten-Partei - http://www.global-change-2009.com/blog/ein-grundlegender-losungsansatz-fur-…
> etc...
>
> Dabei lese ich Literatur zu Makro-Investitionsstrategien die Geldmengenwachstum, Inflationsraten, Import/Export-Zahlen etc analysieren.
> Aber woher haben die diese ganzen Daten?
> Sind die alle öffentlich zugänglich?
>
> Mir schwebt wohl etwas vor wie ein Statistisches Bundesamt (http://www.destatis.de) auf Wikipedia-OpenSource-Basis.
> Habt ihr darüber mal nachgedacht?
> Die Eurostat- und Statistikbundesamt-Website haben sogar graphische Frontends.
> http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/inflation_dashboard/
> https://www-genesis.destatis.de/genesis/online
>
> Da diese Zahlen, Daten, Infos aber von politischen Institutionen stammen, dürfte eine politische Intention ihrerseits nicht irritieren.
>
> Dabei lebt Wikipedia von der OpenSource- und Mitmachidee. Der CCC erhebt die Forderung einer maschinenlesbaren Regierung (im Gegensatz zu maschinenlesbaren Menschen!), was mich hier sehr inspirierte. Wenn es möglich ist, unzählige Datenquellen anzuzapfen (ETL) und in ein Datawarehouse zu speisen, auf dass die Welt übers Web zugreifen könne, womit dann Analysen, Berichte, aber eben auch neue Modellierungen, Progrosen, Forcastings erstellt werden können.
>
> Es kommt viel Transparenz in die Politik der Zahlen, jeder kann mitmachen und die Entstehung der Zahlen überprüfen (soweit Kenntnisse über das IT-Systems vorhanden sind).
>
> Aber viel wichtiger wäre es mir, Modelle wie z.B. das Bandbreitenmodell oder die Monitative anhand der Vorjahreszahlen durchrechnen zu können, welchen Effekt Modelvorgaben dieser "anderen Ökonomie" auf die Realwirtschaft hätten, wo die Probleme wäre, wo man noch nachbessern müßte, wie zentrale Parameter zu setzen wären...etc.
>
> Ich habe gehört, dass die Modelrechnungen in der physikalischen Technik heute soweit fortgeschritten sind, das Atombombentest nicht mehr real ausgeführt werden müssen, sondern anhand von Computersimulationen durchgeführt werden!
> Was für eine geniale Technologie ist das!
>
> Politisch findet so etwas im Finanzministerium statt, z.B. Wirtschaftsprognose des nächsten Jahres. Öffentlich zugänglich sind diese Modelrechnungen nicht. Welche Regierung läßt sich denn schon gerne in die Karten gucken.
>
> Aber wenn hier ein Projekt gestartet werden könnte, in etwa dem des Wikipedia-Umfeldes, sodass ein "Welt-Datawarehouse" (oder meinetwegen auch nur ein Deutsches bzw. Europäisches) etabliert werden könnte, ließe sich ein ganz neues Zeitalter der Transparent einleuten.
>
> Ich finde die Idee sehr spektakulär und suche zunächst einmal Sympatisanten. (Wie alles finanziert werden könnte, ist eine ganz andere Frage. Hinweise hierzu werde ich zunächst einmal ignorieren.)
> Gerade im Rahmen der Occupy-Bewebung und den enormen Turbulenzen derzeit an den Finanzmärkten bekommt Transparenz eine ganz neue Bedeutung.
>
> Das Thema ist natürlich exorbitant und könnte ganze Heerscharen an Leute beschäftigen
> Aber ist dieses Thema vielleicht mal im Rahmen von Wikipedia diskutiert worden?
> Ein anderes Umfeld als Wikipedia scheint mir da zunächst nicht geeignet für.
>
> Freu mich über eine kurze Stellungnahme von euch.
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen
> Tobias Grenzing
>
>
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