It was a comment made out of complete
ignorance of what was actually available but in a desire to prevent unnecessary
re-work.
Kerry
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Hi Kerry,
I agree that both aspects could be very relevant and rewarding to work on. You
wrote "we probably need to have some information available to the students
on the codebase and whatever else is required to be immediately
productive", could you expand a bit about what you mean? Are you thinking
about improving the documentation? Have you already identified some weak spots?
John
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> Hi,
>
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>
> The last year Wikimedia Sverige has deepened the cooperation with a
> number of universities in
> them with research assignment for students' thesis work (to work on for
> either during 10 weeks (Bachelor) or 20 weeks (Master)). As a small pilot
I gave a presentation about this a couple of weeks ago and we have seen a great
interest in this opportunity from staff and student - with around 10 students
(out of ~300) deciding to do their thesis work about our movement and projects
next year!
>
>
>
>
> I was wondering if there is a list of possible thesis assignments compiled
> somewhere (of course many different structures for thesis work exist - but
anything would help)? We would especially like more ideas regarding technical
assignments that the students could do - and investigate the effect from -
during their thesis course. I.e.
> not just the Phabricator/Bugzilla bugs, but something a bit more
> comprehensive and structured. Is there anything out there? (Kind of like
GSoC - but during the semesters.)
>
>
>
> If no such resource exists - and if more people/chapters/WMF would find
this approach of involving universities interesting - perhaps we could create
the necessary structures for this in the future?
>
>
>
> PS. Wiki Education Foundation do not have one - I already asked.
>
>
>
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> John
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> This is a very interesting idea and could be targeted both at technical
work
> assignments as well as research assignments at all levels. However, to be
> viable, we probably need to have some information available to the
students
> on the codebase and whatever else is required to be immediately
productive.
> Maybe that could be the first assignments!
>
>
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> [mailto:wiki-research-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John
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>
>
> Hi,
>
>
> The last year Wikimedia Sverige has deepened the cooperation with a number
> of universities in
> research assignment for students' thesis work (to work on for either
during
> 10 weeks (Bachelor) or 20 weeks (Master)). As a small pilot I gave a
> presentation about this a couple of weeks ago and we have seen a great
> interest in this opportunity from staff and student - with around 10
> students (out of ~300) deciding to do their thesis work about our movement
> and projects next year!
>
>
>
> I was wondering if there is a list of possible thesis assignments compiled
> somewhere (of course many different structures for thesis work exist - but
> anything would help)? We would especially like more ideas regarding
> technical assignments that the students could do - and investigate the
> effect from - during their thesis course. I.e. not just the
> Phabricator/Bugzilla bugs, but something a bit more comprehensive and
> structured. Is there anything out there? (Kind of like GSoC
> <https://developers.google.com/open-source/soc/?csw=1> - but during
the
> semesters.)
>
>
>
> If no such resource exists - and if more people/chapters/WMF would find
this
> approach of involving universities interesting - perhaps we could create
the
> necessary structures for this in the future?
>
>
>
> PS. Wiki Education Foundation do not have one - I already asked.
>
>
> Best,
>
> John
> - - - -
> John Andersson
> Wikimedia Sverige
> Project Manager
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> From: "Federico Leva (Nemo)" <nemowiki@gmail.com>
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> John Andersson, 10/11/2014 20:48:
> > we have recently started providing them with research assignment for
> > students' thesis work (to work on for either during 10 weeks
(Bachelor)
> > or 20 weeks (Master)). As a small pilot I gave a presentation about
this
> > a couple of weeks ago and we have seen a great interest in this
> > opportunity from staff and student
>
> Interesting! But, sorry for the stupid questions, how can this work? Are
> you talking of thesis as in final work for the degree? Does it mean the
> student can decide the thesis on their own? What does the staff have to
> do with it? How are external entities allowed to propose theses?
>
https://studyinsweden.se/study-information/degree-programmes/masters-studies/
> and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis#Sweden are not particularly
> useful to explain.
>
> In
> prof./teacher and the university staff has no say whatsoever in it. (Let
> alone the state; that would even be against the constitution, probably.)
>
> Nemo
>
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> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:57:33 +1000
> From: Kerry Raymond <kerry.raymond@gmail.com>
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> <wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: Wikimedia Education <education@lists.wikimedia.org>
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> I'd just see it as a pool of ideas which could be used by student, staff,
the state or whoever decides these things in that particular context.
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> > On 11 Nov 2014, at 9:36 am, Federico Leva (Nemo) <nemowiki@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > John Andersson, 10/11/2014 20:48:
> >> we have recently started providing them with research assignment
for
> >> students' thesis work (to work on for either during 10 weeks
(Bachelor)
> >> or 20 weeks (Master)). As a small pilot I gave a presentation
about this
> >> a couple of weeks ago and we have seen a great interest in this
> >> opportunity from staff and student
> >
> > Interesting! But, sorry for the stupid questions, how can this work?
Are you talking of thesis as in final work for the degree? Does it mean the
student can decide the thesis on their own? What does the staff have to do with
it? How are external entities allowed to propose theses?
https://studyinsweden.se/study-information/degree-programmes/masters-studies/
and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thesis#Sweden are not particularly useful to
explain.
> >
> > In
> >
> > Nemo
> >
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