Mathias, That is indeed a good news. So far all I know was like they won't extend it no matter what. This is a total surprise. Jan ______________________________________________________________ Period From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended). http://ec.europa.eu/internal_market/consultations/2013/copyright-rules/inde… -- Mathias Schindler Projektmanager Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. web: http://www.wikimedia.de mail: mathias.schindler(a)wikimedia.de Ceterum censeo opera officiales esse liberandam - http://urheberrecht.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors _______________________________________________ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors

That's terrific to hear! As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a little more time to review and flesh those out. [For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows: From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended). ] Luis

I sympathize with the many, many hours spent; the "terrific" from me was mostly that I anticipated one more very long night (personally) and not much time for the community to review/discuss/refine, which we'll now have more of a chance to do. Have a good (better? :) weekend- Luis On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:25 PM, Michael Maggs <Michael(a)maggs.name> wrote: -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* _______________________________________________ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors

On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov < dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: Should it impact our answers at all? i.e., should we be making them more aggressively/clearly in favor of acting now? or should we just go forward as previously planned? Luis -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* _______________________________________________ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors

Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not clear from the meta page... A. On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs &lt;Michael(a)maggs.name&gt; wrote: personally, -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

In my infinite competence, I apparently missed that section entirely. Apologies :-) A. On 4 February 2014 15:26, Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_… a have mistake. -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Luis, Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of negotiation). As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is an interesting question what the final result will be. I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently going on. Jan Loužek - Aktron Wikimedia Czech Republic vice-chairman ______________________________________________________________ consultation deadline has beenextended I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking? https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_… Luis On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt;wrote;wrote: > Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission > yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not > clear from the meta page... > > A. > > On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs &lt;Michael(a)maggs.name&gt; wrote: > > Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, > personally, > > given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working > to > > meet the original deadline! >> > Best regards >> > Michael >>> > ____________ > > Michael Maggs > > Chair, Wikimedia UK >> > On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: >> > That's terrific to hear! >> > As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a > > little more time to review and flesh those out. >> > [For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows: >> > From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended). >> > ] >> > Luis >>>> > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia UK mailing list > > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org > > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l > > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk > > > > -- > - Andrew Gray > andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk > -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* ---------- _______________________________________________ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors _______________________________________________ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors

This is just a comment on an important marketing characteristic. If the pro-copyright side is trying to co-opt the concept of 'creators' as indicating *them*, this would be a particular issue to push back on - and Wikimedians in particular want to be recognized as creators. (In general, people are much more likely to support creators, and less likely to support a rather small number of corporations who own or manage the rights of creative works.)

Luis, The problem is that the form published by the Commission is very hard to understand. I had myself a lot of problems with interpretation of some of the questions and I do believe I was not the only one. It would be a good idea to have something like copywrongs.eu - more simplified. People might be willing to participate more in that, because they can understand it better.

Aktron ______________________________________________________________ advocacy_advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; consultation deadline has beenextended Hi, Aktron- First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to review/discuss/use for their own answers). About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?) Luis On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, &lt;aktron(a)centrum.cz&gt; wrote: > Luis, > > > Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that are > standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") > already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively > spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free > knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic > might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of > negotiation). > > > > As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from > them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is > an interesting question what the final result will be. > > > > I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan > to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations > and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am > also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently > going on. > > > > Jan Loužek - Aktron > > Wikimedia Czech Republic > > vice-chairman > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; > > Komu: Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt; > > Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 >> consultation deadline has beenextended >> I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking? > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_… > Luis > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt;wrote;wrote: > >> Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission >> yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not >> clear from the meta page... >> >> A. >> >> On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs &lt;Michael(a)maggs.name&gt; wrote: >> > Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, >> personally, >> > given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days working >> to >> > meet the original deadline! >>>> > Best regards >>>> > Michael >>>>>> > ____________ >> > Michael Maggs >> > Chair, Wikimedia UK >>>> > On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: >>>> > That's terrific to hear! >>>> > As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us a >> > little more time to review and flesh those out. >>>> > [For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows: >>>> > From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended). >>>> > ] >>>> > Luis >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >> > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org >> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> - Andrew Gray >> andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk >> > > > -- > Luis Villa > Deputy General Counsel > Wikimedia Foundation > 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 > > NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you > have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the > mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical > reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community > members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* > > > > ---------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Advocacy_Advisors mailing list > Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors > > > > _______________________________________________ > Advocacy_Advisors mailing list > Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors > > -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. 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Luis, Some of the people (outside of WM community) suggested that it might be a good idea to promote this via SiteNotidce. But I think it is quite a brutal tool.

Btw.: What do you mean by "load into"? I mean, I already did the Czech translation for copywrongs and I know the youcan.fixcopyright.eu but a question remains ... what is the thing you wanted to do by "loading"?

Jan ______________________________________________________________ advocacy_advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; consultation deadline has beenextended On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, &lt;aktron(a)centrum.cz&gt; wrote: A few things we could do: - load it into http://youcan.fixcopyright.eu/ - I assume, but don't actually know - Dimi? - pick a subset of questions and load them into http://copywrongs.eu/ - not sure I have the time to do the picking of the subset; perhaps folks here who have played with copywrongs might suggest which ones would work best? But it seems like neither of them is worthwhile unless we are also committed to promote the link pretty broadly so that Wikimedians are actually encouraged to use the site to submit things. That's really the question - should someone do that? Luis > Aktron > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Od: Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; > > Komu: Advocacy Advisory Group for Wikimedia < > advocacy_advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; > > Datum: 10.02.2014 18:49 > >> consultation deadline has beenextended >> > > Hi, Aktron- > > First, thanks for all your contributions on-wiki! Much appreciated - hope > you like my answers (all of which are up now for people to > review/discuss/use for their own answers). > > About the other groups - do you think the community should be doing more > to get Wikimedians to submit answers? I'm open to the idea, but not sure > how best to make that happen (or even if it is a good idea- Dimi?) > > Luis > > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 9:21 AM, &lt;aktron(a)centrum.cz&gt; wrote: > >> Luis, >> >> >> Two days ago I've been informed about the fact that institutions that >> are standing on the other side of the barrier (ie. so-called "creators") >> already have their own initiative (creators for Europe) and they massively >> spam all the "creators", asking for their support (ie. against free >> knowledge and for more strict protection of their position - the good topic >> might be the PD-70 deadline that is also currently ... a matter of >> negotiation). >> >> >> >> As far as I can see, the number of responses sent to the Commission from >> them is supposed to be similar to what Copywrongs sent (cca 3k), so it is >> an interesting question what the final result will be. >> >> >> >> I also got informations that certain political (ie. Pirate) parties plan >> to post billboards (tens of them) to support the copyright consultations >> and to make the general public more engaged in this. So we'll see - I am >> also posting this so that WM will be aware about things that are currently >> going on. >> >> >> >> Jan Loužek - Aktron >> >> Wikimedia Czech Republic >> >> vice-chairman >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > Od: Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; >> > Komu: Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt; >> > Datum: 04.02.2014 16:26 >>>> consultation deadline has beenextended >>>> I changed the schedule yesterday morning- where are you looking? >> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=European_Commission_copyright_… >> Luis >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Andrew Gray &lt;andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk&gt;wrote;wrote: >> >>> Quick query - given the extensions, have we filed the WMF submission >>> yet or are we holding off for further comments through February? Not >>> clear from the meta page... >>> >>> A. >>> >>> On 31 January 2014 23:25, Michael Maggs &lt;Michael(a)maggs.name&gt; wrote: >>> > Thanks for the update. Not sure how "terrific" I find that news, >>> personally, >>> > given that I have spent around 20 hours over the last two days >>> working to >>> > meet the original deadline! >>>>>> > Best regards >>>>>> > Michael >>>>>>>>> > ____________ >>> > Michael Maggs >>> > Chair, Wikimedia UK >>>>>> > On 31 Jan 2014, at 23:10, Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: >>>>>> > That's terrific to hear! >>>>>> > As an update on my end, I've done up to question 71, so this gives us >>> a >>> > little more time to review and flesh those out. >>>>>> > [For what it is worth, Michael, looking at the page here shows: >>>>>> > From 05.12.2013 to 05.03.2014 (deadline extended). >>>>>> > ] >>>>>> > Luis >>>>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimedia UK mailing list >>> > wikimediauk-l(a)wikimedia.org >>> > http://mail.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediauk-l >>> > WMUK: https://wikimedia.org.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - Andrew Gray >>> andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk >>> >> >> >> -- >> Luis Villa >> Deputy General Counsel >> Wikimedia Foundation >> 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 >> >> NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you >> have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the >> mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical >> reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community >> members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Advocacy_Advisors mailing list >> Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Advocacy_Advisors mailing list >> Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors >> >> > > > -- > Luis Villa > Deputy General Counsel > Wikimedia Foundation > 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 > > NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you > have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the > mistake. As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical > reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community > members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity.* > > > > ---------- > > _______________________________________________ > Advocacy_Advisors mailing list > Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors > > _______________________________________________ > Advocacy_Advisors mailing list > Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors > > -- Luis Villa Deputy General Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6810 NOTICE: *This message may be confidential or legally privileged. If you have received it by accident, please delete it and let us know about the mistake. 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I don't agree with using the SiteNotice. Over-use of this tool is encouraging people to ignore it, and to block it. The practice of the WMF to arbitrarily clear user preferences to close central notice pisses people off. IMO central notice should only be used in a life-or-death situation. This isn't it. Amgine On 12 Feb 2014, at 9:56, Luis Villa &lt;lvilla(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: a good idea to promote this via SiteNotidce. But I think it is quite a brutal tool. translation for copywrongs and I know the youcan.fixcopyright.eu but a question remains ... what is the thing you wanted to do by "loading"? know if it is in git, in a wiki, maintained by hand, etc. Presumably someone has to do some work to make the answers appear on the site :) _______________________________________________ Advocacy_Advisors mailing list Advocacy_Advisors(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/advocacy_advisors