Arthur if you look 2 replies up you'll see I did :)
https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> If you happen to pursue this card, it's implicit, but was hoping you could
> tag in the disposition of whether it's W0-scoped or not. The flag in the
> data should be generic, like "w0" if it's W0.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Arthur Richards <arichards@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Jon, create a story card for this and we can discuss a bit during today's
>> planning meeting.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> According to click tracking the settings page gets 200 clicks a day
>>> (compared to Watchlist which gets around 5K) - although note this
>>> clicktracking is only limited to users of high end phones (requires
>>> JavaScript). I think these metrics would be very useful to have and
>>> would let us get a better idea of our users.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:56 PM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>> > You're talking about having the origin servers take POSTs and make a
>>> > backend
>>> > event logging call, right? As opposed to a pure JavaScript event
>>> > logging
>>> > solution. I believe that doing it with origin servers hitting event
>>> > logging
>>> > would be ideal for ensuring that data is captured for both devices
>>> > without
>>> > JS support adequate for JS-driven event logging, as well as those with
>>> > it.
>>> >
>>> > Argh, decimal placement problem on my side.The usage of
>>> > Special:MobileOptions is actually much lower. Here are comparisons of
>>> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia versus general m.wikipedia, based on
>>> > 20140310 log
>>> > data.
>>> >
>>> > Wikipedia Zero m.wikipedia:
>>> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
>>> > served) -
>>> > 0.09%
>>> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 24.8%
>>> >
>>> > General m.wikipedia:
>>> > Special:MobileOptions as percent of "pageviews" (text/html content
>>> > served) -
>>> > 0.02%
>>> > POST divided by sum of POST and GET on Special:MobileOptions: 19.9%
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Poke.
>>> >> I'm no sure if it's safe to add a new data point, but I'd love to know
>>> >> the answer to this question. Alternatively we could use EventLogging
>>> >> on the server side to log people that disable images (as well as those
>>> >> that opt in and out of beta). I think it's a useful component to have
>>> >> on mobile especially for the Zero case but if we can avoid using it in
>>> >> mobile web I think this is a good idea.
>>> >>
>>> >> I created a story
>>> >> https://wikimedia.mingle.thoughtworks.com/projects/mobile/cards/1757
>>> >> in the hope we might explore this.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >> > Good question. I think we'd need to log this origin side, and look
>>> >> > at
>>> >> > percentage usage on mdot in general and usage percentage on mdot for
>>> >> > Wikipedia Zero and see the results and see if there's any measurable
>>> >> > difference.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Is it safe to add this data point via MobileFrontend's existing
>>> >> > DOMParse
>>> >> > wfDebugLog call? Or should we add an additional wfDebugLog statement
>>> >> > right
>>> >> > below it?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > As an aside, I noticed that of the 1% of "pageviews" on Wikipedia
>>> >> > Zero
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > Special:MobileOptions, three-fourths are GETs and one-fourth are
>>> >> > POSTs
>>> >> > (POSTs seem to be issued irrespective of JavaScript support if the
>>> >> > user
>>> >> > hits
>>> >> > "Save"). As "Images (On|Off)" is the only option currently shown on
>>> >> > Wikipedia Zero for users who get to Special:MobileOptions, we can
>>> >> > somewhat
>>> >> > safely say that on a given day we're talking an upper bound of maybe
>>> >> > 500
>>> >> > users who (optionally) toggle the On | Off switch and (by
>>> >> > implication)
>>> >> > hit
>>> >> > "Save" on a given day. As to whether the cookie persists,
>>> >> > particularly
>>> >> > in
>>> >> > the Off state, and whether that translates to a nontrivial number of
>>> >> > no-images pageviews, the origin-side logging will tell the fuller
>>> >> > story,
>>> >> > I
>>> >> > suppose.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > -Adam
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Jon Robson <jdlrobson@gmail.com>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Adam, I am interested in who uses the feature "Images" on
>>> >> >> Special:MobileOptions which sets a cookie disabling images. I'm not
>>> >> >> sure how page views to Special:MobileOptions is related. Is it
>>> >> >> possible to see % of page views where the "disableImages" cookie is
>>> >> >> set? This would give a better indication of how widely used this
>>> >> >> feature is....
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Adam Baso <abaso@wikimedia.org>
>>> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> > Based on the 20140302 W0 logfile it looks like
>>> >> >> > Special:MobileOptions
>>> >> >> > constitutes about 1% of "pageviews" (not the bulletproof
>>> >> >> > definition,
>>> >> >> > but
>>> >> >> > a
>>> >> >> > good enough one).
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Tomasz Finc
>>> >> >> > <tfinc@wikimedia.org>
>>> >> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> We added it specifically for Zero back in the day. Should be
>>> >> >> >> easy
>>> >> >> >> enough to measure and get into a sprint.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Jon Robson
>>> >> >> >> <jdlrobson@gmail.com>
>>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>> >> >> >> > On this page -
>>> >> >> >> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileOptions
>>> >> >> >> > -
>>> >> >> >> > it is possible to disable images across the mobile site.
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > How many people actually use this (outside Zero)? Can we get
>>> >> >> >> > some
>>> >> >> >> > data?
>>> >> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >> > I personally think we should explore killing this feature as
>>> >> >> >> > an
>>> >> >> >> > option
>>> >> >> >> > and leave it to the browser to take care of...
>>> >> >> >> >
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