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Ekompute .info

5 May 2009 5 May '09

7:28 a.m.

Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my database and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki Version 1.14. Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot access them. Is there something that I miss? PM Poon

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Michael Daly

5 May 5 May

5:29 p.m.

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Ekompute .info wrote:

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Do the tables have the same prefix?

Julien Pedrono

5:41 p.m.

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Hi, Did you backed up your tables using mysqldump, or a tool such as phpMyAdmin? Following my own experience, and because wiki tables use InnoDB (at least 'till 1.12), importing tables can lead to data access problems. Jules 2009/5/5 Michael Daly <michael.daly(a)kayakwiki.org>

...

Ekompute .info wrote:

Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my database and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki Version

1.14.

Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot access them.

there something that I miss?

Do the tables have the same prefix? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

Ekompute .info

8:27 p.m.

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Hi, I backed up the table using phpMyAdmin. Does it mean that I cannot import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are occupying quite a lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using InnoDB. PM Poon On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> wrote:

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Ekompute .info wrote: > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my

database

and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki Version

1.14. > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot access

them.

there something that I miss?

Do the tables have the same prefix? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Ekompute .info

8:52 p.m.

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Hi Michael, I don't use prefix as I am already having a problem of database getting too big for shared hosting (not so much of space usage but more of downloading and uploading backups) and am thinking of splitting them as you can see from my other thread. PM Poon On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Ekompute .info wrote: > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my

database

and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki Version

1.14. > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot access

them.

there something that I miss?

Do the tables have the same prefix? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Julien Pedrono

6 May 6 May

10:40 a.m.

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Hi, 2009/5/5 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

...

Hi, I backed up the table using phpMyAdmin.

So you had some .sql files as a result... I had such a problem a few months ago: - my server crashed - I managed to access it in rescue, and to back up my databases (mysql dump and a backup of /var/lib/mysql/wiki/*). - when I restored my server, and my databases (with a mysql import of my sql backups, I couldn't access my wiki tables correctly, this trouble was linked with the use of InnoDB engine (this engine uses files in your database directory under /var/lib/mysql AND some files in /var/lib/mysql/, ibdata*, ib_logfile*) but I can't remember the messages I got at this time...

...

Does it mean that I cannot import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are occupying quite a lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using InnoDB.

Do you have a ssh access on your server?

...

PM Poon On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> wrote:

Ekompute .info wrote: > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my

database > > and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki

Version

1.14. > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot access

them.

there something that I miss?

Do the tables have the same prefix? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Ekompute .info

11:31 a.m.

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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> wrote:

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Hi, 2009/5/5 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

Hi, I backed up the table using phpMyAdmin.

Does it mean that I cannot import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are occupying quite

lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using InnoDB.

Do you have a ssh access on your server?

PM Poon On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr>

wrote:

> Hi, > > Did you backed up your tables using mysqldump, or a tool such as > phpMyAdmin? > Following my own experience, and because wiki tables use InnoDB (at

least

'till 1.12), importing tables can lead to data access problems. Jules 2009/5/5 Michael Daly <michael.daly(a)kayakwiki.org>

Ekompute .info wrote: > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my

database > > and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki

Version

1.14. > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot access

them.

Is > there something that I miss? Do the tables have the same prefix? _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Ekompute .info

11:33 a.m.

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Hi, ssh access? No idea what it is, but if you tell me, I may be able to ask my webhost to help me. Maiahost.com has been very helpful all these while, unlike my previous one and I am quite confident they will be very willing to help if they know how. PM Poon On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> wrote:

Hi, 2009/5/5 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

Hi, I backed up the table using phpMyAdmin.

Does it mean that I cannot import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are occupying quite

lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using InnoDB.

Do you have a ssh access on your server?

PM Poon On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr>

wrote:

> Hi, > > Did you backed up your tables using mysqldump, or a tool such as > phpMyAdmin? > Following my own experience, and because wiki tables use InnoDB (at

least

'till 1.12), importing tables can lead to data access problems. Jules 2009/5/5 Michael Daly <michael.daly(a)kayakwiki.org> > Ekompute .info wrote: > > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my database > > and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki

Version > > 1.14. > > > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot

access

them. > Is > > there something that I miss? > > Do the tables have the same prefix? > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Julien Pedrono

7 May 7 May

5 p.m.

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Hi, Sorry for misunderstanding, I thought you were using and administrating your own server... You can ask your hosting company support to look for a problem with thoses tables, as they have direct access on their servers. When I encountered my problem, I remember I created my wiki database again (empty, then), I imported my SQL dump and I copied my backed up ibdata* and ib_logfile* instead of the one used by mysql on my server... This is easy only if you are the only database to use the InnoDB engine, I have no clue if there are many InnoDB databases on the same mysql server... Hope it help. Regards Jules 2009/5/6 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

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On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr>

wrote:

> Hi, > > 2009/5/5 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com> > > > Hi, I backed up the table using phpMyAdmin. > > So you had some .sql files as a result... > I had such a problem a few months ago: > - my server crashed > - I managed to access it in rescue, and to back up my databases (mysql > dump > and a backup of /var/lib/mysql/wiki/*). > - when I restored my server, and my databases (with a mysql import of my > sql > backups, I couldn't access my wiki tables correctly, this trouble was > linked > with the use of InnoDB engine (this engine uses files in your database > directory under /var/lib/mysql AND some files in /var/lib/mysql/,

ibdata*,

> ib_logfile*) but I can't remember the messages I got at this time... > > > > Does it mean that I cannot > > import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are occupying

quite

> a > > lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using

InnoDB.

Do you have a ssh access on your server?

PM Poon On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr>

wrote:

> Hi, > > Did you backed up your tables using mysqldump, or a tool such as > phpMyAdmin? > Following my own experience, and because wiki tables use InnoDB (at

least

> 'till 1.12), importing tables can lead to data access problems. > > Jules > > 2009/5/5 Michael Daly <michael.daly(a)kayakwiki.org> > > > Ekompute .info wrote: > > > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from my > database > > > and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki Version > > 1.14. > > > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot

access

> them. > > Is > > > there something that I miss? > > > > Do the tables have the same prefix? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Ekompute .info

8 May 8 May

12:43 p.m.

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Hi Jule, thank you very much for your response. I suppose there will be thousands of people using InnoDB databases on the same mysql server. I will try to get my webhost to do it for me then. By the way, just as an aside, I am wondering how to afford a dedicated server. It's so much more expensive and running the server from my computer is not a feasible proposition for me. PM Poon On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> wrote:

...

Hi, ssh access? No idea what it is, but if you tell me, I may be able to ask my webhost to help me. Maiahost.com has been very helpful all these

while,

unlike my previous one and I am quite confident they will be very willing to help if they know how. PM Poon On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr>

wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> 2009/5/5 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com> >> >> > Hi, I backed up the table using phpMyAdmin. >> >> So you had some .sql files as a result... >> I had such a problem a few months ago: >> - my server crashed >> - I managed to access it in rescue, and to back up my databases (mysql >> dump >> and a backup of /var/lib/mysql/wiki/*). >> - when I restored my server, and my databases (with a mysql import of

> sql > backups, I couldn't access my wiki tables correctly, this trouble was > linked > with the use of InnoDB engine (this engine uses files in your database > directory under /var/lib/mysql AND some files in /var/lib/mysql/,

ibdata*,

> ib_logfile*) but I can't remember the messages I got at this time... > > > > Does it mean that I cannot > > import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are occupying

quite

> a > > lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using

InnoDB. >> >> Do you have a ssh access on your server? >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > PM Poon >> > >> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > Did you backed up your tables using mysqldump, or a tool such as >> > > phpMyAdmin? >> > > Following my own experience, and because wiki tables use InnoDB

(at

>> least >> > > 'till 1.12), importing tables can lead to data access problems. >> > > >> > > Jules >> > > >> > > 2009/5/5 Michael Daly <michael.daly(a)kayakwiki.org> >> > > >> > > > Ekompute .info wrote: >> > > > > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks) from

> > database > > > > and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same Mediawiki > Version > > > 1.14. > > > > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot access > > them. > > > Is > > > > there something that I miss? > > > > > > Do the tables have the same prefix? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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Julien Pedrono

1:08 p.m.

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2009/5/8 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

...

Hi Jule, thank you very much for your response.

You're welcome, hope it helps.

...

I suppose there will be thousands of people using InnoDB databases on the same mysql server. I will try to get my webhost to do it for me then.

If the problem is the same I had, it's your only solution ;)

...

By the way, just as an aside, I am wondering how to afford a dedicated server. It's so much more expensive and running the server from my computer is not a feasible proposition for me.

Nearly any webhost is able to rent you a full dedicated server, or a dedicated server with a certain amount of network disk, or a virtual dedicated server... Price depends on support quality, most of the time, and on used bandwidth. For instance I pay something like 170€ per year for my server, with a 20Gb dedicated space on a disk array, and illimited bandwitdh... which is really enough to host somes websites (between 10 and 20 in my case). The point is you have to know sysadmin good enough to manage your server by yourself (from system configuration to web server configuration, let's say), and you must have a TSE access (for windows) or SSH access (linux) to reach it. Regards. Jules

...

PM Poon On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> wrote:

Hi, Sorry for misunderstanding, I thought you were using and administrating your own server... You can ask your hosting company support to look for a problem with

thoses

tables, as they have direct access on their servers. When I encountered my problem, I remember I created my wiki database

again

(empty, then), I imported my SQL dump and I copied my backed up ibdata*

and

ib_logfile* instead of the one used by mysql on my server... This is easy only if you are the only database to use the InnoDB engine, I have no

clue

if there are many InnoDB databases on the same mysql server... Hope it help. Regards Jules 2009/5/6 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com> > Hi, ssh access? No idea what it is, but if you tell me, I may be able

ask my webhost to help me. Maiahost.com has been very helpful all these

while, > unlike my previous one and I am quite confident they will be very

willing

to help if they know how. PM Poon On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> 2009/5/5 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> > Hi, I backed up the table using phpMyAdmin. > >> > >> So you had some .sql files as a result... > >> I had such a problem a few months ago: > >> - my server crashed > >> - I managed to access it in rescue, and to back up my databases

(mysql

> >> dump > >> and a backup of /var/lib/mysql/wiki/*). > >> - when I restored my server, and my databases (with a mysql import

my > >> sql > >> backups, I couldn't access my wiki tables correctly, this trouble

was

> >> linked > >> with the use of InnoDB engine (this engine uses files in your

database

> >> directory under /var/lib/mysql AND some files in /var/lib/mysql/, > ibdata*, > >> ib_logfile*) but I can't remember the messages I got at this time... > >> > >> > >> > Does it mean that I cannot > >> > import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are occupying > quite > >> a > >> > lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using > InnoDB. > >> > >> Do you have a ssh access on your server? > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > PM Poon > >> > > >> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <

julien(a)pedrono.fr>

>> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > Did you backed up your tables using mysqldump, or a tool such as >> > > phpMyAdmin? >> > > Following my own experience, and because wiki tables use InnoDB

(at > >> least > >> > > 'till 1.12), importing tables can lead to data access problems. > >> > > > >> > > Jules > >> > > > >> > > 2009/5/5 Michael Daly <michael.daly(a)kayakwiki.org> > >> > > > >> > > > Ekompute .info wrote: > >> > > > > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks)

from

my > >> > > database > >> > > > > and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same

Mediawiki

> > Version > > > > 1.14. > > > > > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I cannot > access > > > them. > > > > Is > > > > > there something that I miss? > > > > > > > > Do the tables have the same prefix? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MediaWiki-l mailing list > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l > > > _______________________________________________ > MediaWiki-l mailing list > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >

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Ekompute .info

9 May 9 May

2:39 a.m.

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Hi Jules, thanks for your information. 170€ per year for your server sounds like a reasonable proposition. Siteground wanted US$99 per month which works out to almost US$1,200. By the way, what is the name of your webhost? May consider it one day, since I am now paying half of what you are paying for my shared hosting and I have reached my 5 domain name limit. I am running a private Mediawiki on my own computer for years and seems like it has less problems. PM Poon On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr> wrote:

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2009/5/8 Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

Hi Jule, thank you very much for your response.

You're welcome, hope it helps.

I suppose there will be thousands of people using InnoDB databases on the same mysql server. I

will

try to get my webhost to do it for me then.

If the problem is the same I had, it's your only solution ;)

By the way, just as an aside, I am wondering how to afford a dedicated server. It's so much more expensive and running the server from my

computer

is not a feasible proposition for me.

PM Poon On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Julien Pedrono <julien(a)pedrono.fr>

wrote:

Hi, Sorry for misunderstanding, I thought you were using and administrating your own server... You can ask your hosting company support to look for a problem with

thoses

tables, as they have direct access on their servers. When I encountered my problem, I remember I created my wiki database

again

(empty, then), I imported my SQL dump and I copied my backed up ibdata*

and > ib_logfile* instead of the one used by mysql on my server... This is

easy

only if you are the only database to use the InnoDB engine, I have no

clue

ask my webhost to help me. Maiahost.com has been very helpful all these

while, > unlike my previous one and I am quite confident they will be very

willing

to help if they know how. PM Poon On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Ekompute .info <ekompute(a)gmail.com>

(mysql

> >> dump > >> and a backup of /var/lib/mysql/wiki/*). > >> - when I restored my server, and my databases (with a mysql import

my > >> sql > >> backups, I couldn't access my wiki tables correctly, this trouble

was

> >> linked > >> with the use of InnoDB engine (this engine uses files in your

database > > >> directory under /var/lib/mysql AND some files in /var/lib/mysql/, > > ibdata*, > > >> ib_logfile*) but I can't remember the messages I got at this

time...

> > >> > > >> > > >> > Does it mean that I cannot > > >> > import? Guess I need to delete them then, since they are

occupying

> quite > >> a > >> > lot of space. By the way, I am using 1.14 and it is still using > InnoDB. > >> > >> Do you have a ssh access on your server? > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > PM Poon > >> > > >> > On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Julien Pedrono <

julien(a)pedrono.fr> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Hi, > > >> > > > > >> > > Did you backed up your tables using mysqldump, or a tool such

> > >> > > phpMyAdmin? > > >> > > Following my own experience, and because wiki tables use

InnoDB

> (at > > >> least > > >> > > 'till 1.12), importing tables can lead to data access

problems.

> >> > > > >> > > Jules > >> > > > >> > > 2009/5/5 Michael Daly <michael.daly(a)kayakwiki.org> > >> > > > >> > > > Ekompute .info wrote: > >> > > > > Hi, I backed up two tables (category, and categorylinks)

from

my > >> > > database > >> > > > > and export it into another. Both wikis uses the same

Mediawiki > > >> > Version > > >> > > > 1.14. > > >> > > > > Although I do see that the two tables are uploaded, I

cannot

>> access >> > > them. >> > > > Is >> > > > > there something that I miss? >> > > > >> > > > Do the tables have the same prefix? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > MediaWiki-l mailing list >> > > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > MediaWiki-l mailing list >> > > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > MediaWiki-l mailing list >> > MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> MediaWiki-l mailing list >> MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l >> > > _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l

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