Peter Blaise responds: Daniel, Please try LESS work and instead of arguing and telling me to hire "an expert" (as if I've had much luck finding any who are wiling to prove their value here! And, without a reference to a specific expert with which you've had success, well then, what's a referral good for anyway?!?), why not just respond with a LINK as was missing from your original posts, and was asked for? A link, man, a LINK?!? That is all I ask for! And when you Googled to resolve a conflict, since that was a departure from the "official instructions" can you help out with a link there, too? A link, man, a LINK - that is all I ask for! Please, Daniel. Way less work has been asked of you than you proffered here! No explanations or retributions needed. Save your energies, man! Instead, how about simply sharing the 2 links YOU used to accomplish your success? Thanks. -- Peter Blaise ------------------------------ Peter Blaise responds: Thanks ... I think. I am playing with the basics. I am playing around. I am exploring what happens when I install and try different choices for each component. Over and over. I thought maybe someone in or using MediaWiki might have already confirmed a decision tree that best supports MediaWiki so that MediaWiki has the best chance for success in the end user's hands - with official guidance: "these specific decision trees work for us". I was wrong - oh, so wrong! And even asking for such - wrong again! Shame on me! :-( While I understand why some people do not want to share their success stories, that is still all I ask for, and all I can offer (failure stories, too)! I'll revisit http://www.wikipedia.org/ and http://www.mediawiki.org/ and see what they're made of ... OH, they're made of people contributing contents that makes sense to them, and some of it appears to have taken a long, long, *very* long time to master and share! Oh, my! Why on earth would they do that?!? =8^o Kasimir, I think you are insincere. You say it would take a long time, but you are only speculating, not speaking from experience. If you were speaking from experience, you'd have already done the documentation and known exactly how long it took, and then you'd be able to quickly share your documentation regardless. You say it would be useless to you or anyone else but again you are speculating. I value it. I imagine you and others would too, especially if you shared it on MediaWIki.org. My experience? I see automotive web pages and high-fidelity sound web pages and even PC-building web pages (and sewing and boating and health and home building and so on) that document to the minutest detail how to accomplish success in creating something beloved by their creators. What I ask for is nothing new or unprecedented. MediaWiki apparently has yet to garner such reverence and joy, at least on this list, apparently. MediaWiki is supposedly open source ... well? -- Peter Blaise ------------------------------ ... [link?!?] Peter Blaise responds: ... oh, and you've proven yourself soooo willing to earn it! ;-) I KNOW how long it takes. In the earlier example I quoted of my own experience, it took approximately 100 times longer to accurately document any task than it took to perform the task itself in the first place. This is no news. I know that, though what I am asking for is simple to ask for, it is also very difficult and time consuming to execute authoritatively. However, I am not asking you or anybody to support the USPTO, I'm asking you to support MediaWiki. You don't have to. Nobody does. -- Peter Blaise PS - The US Trademark Office, by the way is paying-customer-driven, law-driven, and public (no tax-payer revenues here!). You're welcome to anything we create - none of our contractors own anything they design for us or for our customers! The US Patent Office (unrelated to the US Trademark Office, really) may be secret to protect patent applicants, I dunno nor care. Trademark applications and processes are public record from day one. Private individuals and companies may own the rights to their programming, and be as secretive as they wanna be. I do not control any moneys (or even admin rights) around here, that's why I built our first MediaWiki prototype on my own USB drive! But, as I see it, the only ones spending inordinate time and effort to avoid spending inordinate time and effort are ... _______________________________________________ MediaWiki-l mailing list MediaWiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-l