Hi,
Recently my wiki site got attacked by somebody using API and thousands
of pages and users were created. So I had to re-image the VM (ubunto
14.04) and installed 1.26.0 and manually re-created the wiki from
scratch Then encountered some difficulty setting up proper user group
privileges to protect the site from vandalism.
First, I disabled ('false') 'createpage' for all user groups '*' like
below in LocalSettings.php. But it looked like disabled administrator
creating pages. So I added another line with 'sysop' to allow it. But it
still doesn't allow. I created a new user group and allowed
"createpage", and this works. So I'm wondering why an administrator
can't create a page.
$wgGroupPermissions['*']['createpage'] = false;
$wgGroupPermissions['sysop']['createpage'] = true;
Does anyone know why this doesn't work?
Toshi
One more vote for this.
Upgrades have generally caused us much pain with little or no obvious
benefit. In our particular case, Mediawiki works well enough as is.
Until our host decides to update PHP forcing us to upgrade Mediawiki,
and discovering that it no longer works.
While there may be things we might like improved, we can't afford to
dedicate a full time Wikimedia guru to becoming expert in the hidden
corners of the code and keeping up with every change that might have
some unexpected side effect.
I realize that some of the changes are security fixes, and a Good Thing,
but I suspect these are in the minority. Our wiki is not public, so we
could probably get away with being a bit more lax about that, but when
Mediawiki is suddenly no longer compatible with php version-whatever, we
have no choice but to upgrade.
>
> I'm afraid you've got a point there, Boris. Your not alone.
>
> Contrary to you, I 've (up to now) tried to keep everything up to date. I
> must now admit that the advantages of doing so are rapidly vanishing. Too
> often this ends in a time consuming trial and error, leading into fault
> messages and malfunction, hence a loss of confidence. I think I will change
> policies and keep things as they are until I notice a more coherent upgrade
> approach.
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Boris Steipe <boris.steipe(a)utoronto.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I hold off updates as long as at all possible, the reason being that over
>> the last years new versions of the software have almost never come with
>> tangible benefits to my core use. It is almost always just fixing
>> edge-cases we don't care about and better support for things we don't use.
>> Why? Because we have developed a workflow around the software as it existed
>> about three years ago and there is really no reason to change that. The
>> benefit of not using the latest is that we get to skip releases and frankly
>> every single release just takes way, way to long to install and verify and
>> fix across our multiple Wikis. Every release I can skip gives me half a day
>> of my life!
>>
>> The release cycles are too short. As far as I'm concerned, MediaWiki works
>> oK, if it would do just what it does; that would be nice, and aspiring to
>> anything else is just not what I'm interested in. The only reason why I'm
>> constantly on the lookout for alternatives to MW are the frequent
>> required/recommended updates.
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this.
>>
>> Now, if a new version would come out that would autoupdate and configure
>> itself and make sure it keeps on working with my (completely standard)
>> extensions, that would be nice. Too modern?
>>
>>
>> Boris--
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My PHP is listed as "5.6.14 (cgi-fcgi)"
My situation is shared hosting on a *nix server - so I don't think I
*can* upgrade PHP myself, without a clicky button from my webhost
somewhere in the control panel.
btraynor wrote:
> Perhaps I'm confused, but it sounds to me like there are
> certain classes of MediaWiki administrators out there.
> There's those who would prefer a hands free experience,
> or at the very least a point and click GUI-based
> administration experience and those that are would
> prefer a more command-line based, power-user
> administrative experience.
I'm in a "neither of the above" category.
While I currently use winblowz, it's not the only OS I've used over the years -
I don't mind manually dropping files in places and editing files, as
long as the instructions are clear.
My problem is, I'm not a developer/programmer (I'm more of a technical
writer by inclination), and the documentation needs.....ah......some
work to be fully understood by non-devs.
Once the documentation is thorough enough, I won't have an issue
tackling upgrades.
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Hi Josepherum,
Thank you for your response. I installed the extension, but it did not fit
my needs. Luckily, I found the solution in my case, that is to use api as
following:
api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rcprop=title|user|timestamp&rclimit=100
Thank you again for your help!
Best,
Catherine
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 22:20:18 +0000
> From: "P. Josepherum" <papaverjosepherum(a)gmail.com>
> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all
> users at a time?
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> How about this extension?
> https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Contributors
>
> On Mon, 7 Dec 2015, 21:51 Jurij Byrda <gintasgp19(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > gintasgp19(a)gmail.com
> > 2015 gru. 7 23:32 "John" <phoenixoverride(a)gmail.com> rašė:
> >
> > > Special:RecentChanges
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Jingyi C. Shi <jshizhang(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Agnese,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your response. But I can only find 'User contributions'
> > in
> > > > special pages, in which I need to type in IP address or username.
> That
> > > > means I can only see one user's contribution at a time. However,
> what I
> > > > need is to see all the contributions of all users. If I have to type
> in
> > > all
> > > > the usernames individually, it will be a huge work. So I am looking
> > for a
> > > > method to see the contributions of all users in one single
> page/query.
> > > >
> > > > I look forward to your further help!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Catherine
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:34 PM, <
> > mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 5
> > > > > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:16:06 +0100
> > > > > From: Agnese Camellini <agnese.camellini(a)gmail.com>
> > > > > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> > > > > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all
> > > > > users at a time?
> > > > > Message-ID:
> > > > > <
> > > > > CACXuh-SgpFY7V19ujy2PM8hfqvDnGWfACxM3ZmHF0rpWfGVZLw(a)mail.gmail.com
> >
> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure i get the right idea but.. Look in the special
> pages...
> > > > Maybe
> > > > > there is something suiting your needs...
> > > > > Il 07/dic/2015 08:02 PM, "Jingyi C. Shi" <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> ha
> > > > scritto:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I am the administrator of a wiki. I am wondering if I can check
> the
> > > > > > contributions of all users at a time. And How?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks much,
> > > > > > Catherine
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Thank you, John. Special:RecentChanges is not working in my case. I don't
know why the page is empty with no result, even though I set '&from=<some
date>'. But you make me aware that I can use api.php with recent changes.
So finally, this is my solution:
api.php?action=query&list=recentchanges&rcprop=title|user|timestamp&rclimit=100
Thank you for your help!
Best,
Jingyi
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>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Jingyi C. Shi <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Agnese,
> >
> > Thank you for your response. But I can only find 'User contributions' in
> > special pages, in which I need to type in IP address or username. That
> > means I can only see one user's contribution at a time. However, what I
> > need is to see all the contributions of all users. If I have to type in
> all
> > the usernames individually, it will be a huge work. So I am looking for a
> > method to see the contributions of all users in one single page/query.
> >
> > I look forward to your further help!
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Catherine
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:34 PM, <mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 5
> > > Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:16:06 +0100
> > > From: Agnese Camellini <agnese.camellini(a)gmail.com>
> > > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> > > <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all
> > > users at a time?
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
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> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> > >
> > > I'm not sure i get the right idea but.. Look in the special pages...
> > Maybe
> > > there is something suiting your needs...
> > > Il 07/dic/2015 08:02 PM, "Jingyi C. Shi" <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> ha
> > scritto:
> > >
> > > > Dear all,
> > > >
> > > > I am the administrator of a wiki. I am wondering if I can check the
> > > > contributions of all users at a time. And How?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks much,
> > > > Catherine
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Hi Agnese,
Thank you for your response. But I can only find 'User contributions' in
special pages, in which I need to type in IP address or username. That
means I can only see one user's contribution at a time. However, what I
need is to see all the contributions of all users. If I have to type in all
the usernames individually, it will be a huge work. So I am looking for a
method to see the contributions of all users in one single page/query.
I look forward to your further help!
Thanks,
Catherine
On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 3:34 PM, <mediawiki-l-request(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
wrote:
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:16:06 +0100
> From: Agnese Camellini <agnese.camellini(a)gmail.com>
> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> <mediawiki-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [MediaWiki-l] How can I check the contributions of all
> users at a time?
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I'm not sure i get the right idea but.. Look in the special pages... Maybe
> there is something suiting your needs...
> Il 07/dic/2015 08:02 PM, "Jingyi C. Shi" <jshizhang(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I am the administrator of a wiki. I am wondering if I can check the
> > contributions of all users at a time. And How?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> > Catherine
> > _______________________________________________
> > MediaWiki-l mailing list
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If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version
you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form:
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-io754bUxVujh100D4xvIwkiBIFk9Ef0j4TYrJ2zM…>
You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over
whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of
MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering
some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have
from WikiApiary.
You don't need to log in to fill out the form, and no personal
information will be forwarded to us.
-- Tim Starling
I concur with those who mention the difficulty of upgrading. I'm running
MW 1.26.0 in a single-click installation on AWS.
Other products I use -- including open source -- have a graceful and
online update process.
MW is built by developers for developers. I'm not a developer and every
time I upgrade I'm scared. It's a fraught exercise.
I have a few things that don't work, and I have no idea why. For
example, file uploads stopped working somewhere along the way but I
don't know when exactly. I didn't change file permissions; although I've
fiddled with them endlessly since. I suspect it's something in the base
AWS stack, but what? [Permissions seem to be an area of discussion with
different falvours of Linux.]
I would like to install Parsoid (why isn't it in the base install?) but
nobody can offer insight into how to install it at docroot when you only
have docroot access. I hired a Linux pro to help with that one and he
threw his hands up. [Installation is easy, but how do you start it up
automatically?]
Why is the mobile frontend an add-on and not the default? It's 2015...
Quite a few extensions have gone to a DevOps approach of continuous
development and release, but how do I know when to update them? There is
no online notifiction.
All of these and more point to the legacy and Dev nature of MW.
David
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I'm not exactly a "noob", but I haven't kept up with PHP changes -- what is running is running, so why change?
So I was just punting on the "how long will it take to upgrade?" question. (I said "More than an hour", because just finding out the impact will take that long!)
So what exactly is the expected impact of upgrading PHP 5.3.8 to 5.5 or greater? (Note: I'm now officially in that "more than an hour" of upgrading.)
Having been stung by various upgrades over the years, I tend to not touch stuff that isn't broken. I'm running several MediaWiki sites between 1.13 and 1.16. I'd sorta like to upgrade, but I don't know what that buys me, and y'know, they're all working... :-)
Jan
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> From: Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org>
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> If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version
> you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form:
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>
> You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over
> whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of
> MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering
> some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have
> from WikiApiary.
>
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> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 20:54:35 -0500
> From: Bill Traynor <btraynor(a)gmail.com>
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> Can we fill it out multiple times if we run manage more than one instance?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version
>> you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form:
>>
>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-io754bUxVujh100D4xvIwkiBIFk9Ef0j4TYrJ2zM…>
>>
>> You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over
>> whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of
>> MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering
>> some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have
>> from WikiApiary.
>>
>> You don't need to log in to fill out the form, and no personal
>> information will be forwarded to us.
>>
>> -- Tim Starling
>>
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> Good question. I'm most interested in the amount of work it will take
> to upgrade PHP, so if you manage a hundred identical servers and will
> upgrade them all in bulk, then you shouldn't submit the form more than
> once, because that would be overrepresentative. But if you consult on
> several completely separate systems, each with their own quirks and
> dependencies, then I suppose it makes sense to submit the form more
> than once.
>
> I've added a checkbox to the form so that you can tell us if you are
> submitting it more than once.
>
> -- Tim Starling
>
> On 04/12/15 12:54, Bill Traynor wrote:
>> Can we fill it out multiple times if we run manage more than one instance?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:25 PM, Tim Starling <tstarling(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>> If you manage a MediaWiki instance, please tell us what PHP version
>>> you use, and some other relevant information, by filling out this form:
>>>
>>> <https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Z-io754bUxVujh100D4xvIwkiBIFk9Ef0j4TYrJ2zM…>
>>>
>>> You may have seen on wikitech-l that there is some controversy over
>>> whether we should require PHP 5.5 in the next major release of
>>> MediaWiki. I made this little survey in the interests of gathering
>>> some extra data to support our decision, beyond what we already have
>>> from WikiApiary.
>>>
>>> You don't need to log in to fill out the form, and no personal
>>> information will be forwarded to us.
>>>
>>> -- Tim Starling
>>>
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