1. Great idea on adding libraries! I know who I want to ask about this when I get back from vacation.
How about a policy proposal to go along with this that all libraries are notable, and deserve articles? That provides an incentive for cooperation.
2. As a librarian, I allow 20 min. to verify a fact, not 2 minutes. It can take an hour or more to cross check against different sources, especially if you are in an unfamiliar content area where you don't know the sources.
One of the strengths of Wikipedia is that you can take the time you need to get things right. Some facts are very quick, and others are a labor of love. You can't always tell which is which beforehand.
3. If you want librarians to cooperate with the plan of thousands of individuals adding facts on the job, I'd suggest working for a less toxic editing environment on the site. In real life, librarians get to ask patrons to leave when their conduct is unacceptable. By contrast, on Wikipedia, the people who make requests for more civilized behavior can be the ones who are asked to leave.
It may be acceptable to recruit people to work for free in a social club known for off color language, heated arguments, and verbal abuse, but that is because volunteers are free to leave. Accepting this sort of poor treatment as a condition of employment is another matter altogether. We librarians in the U.S. can all thank the public employees' unions for sticking up for decent working conditions for librarians all these years.
--Kristin
Librarian, and former union steward
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1. Re: [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 17:30:44 +0000
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Hi there,
Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic? If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any way that I can!
http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01
Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer
OCLC Research
From: libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000, 000 facts added a year ?
2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.com<mailto:emijrp@gmail.com>>:
2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea <lucian.velea@lexica.ro<mailto:lucian.velea@lexica.ro>>:
Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries / librarians by country?
I compiled some numbers here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries
And started a list of lists that needs to be completed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country
Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?
I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make these institutions get involved?
All the best,
Lucian
On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world out there !!
Thanks,
GerardM
On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com<mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>> wrote:
If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per work day in their spare 2 mins a day.
119,729 Libraries in USA
x
1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-)
x
251 work days in a year
=
30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified
Get the word out,
Thad
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 19:53:12 +0200
From: Andrea Zanni <zanni.andrea84@gmail.com>
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Hello everyone.
For Italian libraries, you can find a good csv here:
http://opendata.anagrafe.iccu.sbn.it/territorio.zip
Cristian Consonni also had a project of importing all of them on
OpenStreetMap:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RCantoroBot/Anagrafe_delle_biblioteche_italiane/Import_plan
(I think the project is frozen though).
In Italy we are working a lot with libraries and librarians, but I think it
needs a cultural (so, looong) approach:
we are doing workshops, editathons, lectues on Wikipedia, Wikisource,
Wikidata too.
They are very interested in Wikidata, but it scares them a little (RDF,
linked open data, knowledge base are scary words for most people).
I very much like the "gaming" approach of Magnus's tools, as it can be a
bridge in teaching librarians how to cope with wikidata with things they
understand better. For example, here's the Mix 'n' match tool for
reconciling authors from the National Authority Control and Wikidata:
http://tools.wmflabs.org/mix-n-match/?mode=random&catalog=58&submode=unmatched#
We are collaborating directly with the National Library of Florence, too.
Finally, in Google Summer of Code 2014 Amanpreet Singh worked on a project
for annotating books and get the annotate "statement" directly on Wikidata:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikidata_annotation_tool/project_completion_report
The idea is that you could read the web, than find a "fact", and then
highlight it and get a statement that gets feeded on Wikidata.
Unfortunately, I think that project has been abandoned too (but it seems
that the code works).
IMHO, that would be very useful for librarians and not: as you read you can
populate Wikidata.
Aubrey
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Proffitt,Merrilee <proffitm@oclc.org>
wrote:
> Hi there,
>
>
>
> Imagine my delight that you are creating a list of all the libraries in
> the world! However this does present a bit of an issue – are all libraries
> notable? The American Library Association estimates that there are around
> 120,000 libraries but doesn’t have an exact number because there is not a
> survey that covers all of them. Since librarians are discouraged from
> creating articles about their own institutions, this could be problematic?
> If this is an initiative that has broad approval I’m happy to help in any
> way that I can!
>
>
>
> http://www.ala.org/tools/libfactsheets/alalibraryfactsheet01
>
>
>
> Merrilee Proffitt, Senior Program Officer
> OCLC Research
>
>
>
> *From:* libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> libraries-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Emilio J.
> Rodríguez-Posada
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:41 AM
> *To:* Discussion list for the Wikidata project.; Wikimedia & Libraries
> *Subject:* Re: [libraries] [Wikidata] How can Wikidata get over 30, 000,
> 000 facts added a year ?
>
>
>
> 2015-06-23 9:00 GMT+02:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada <emijrp@gmail.com>:
>
> 2015-06-23 8:49 GMT+02:00 Lucian Velea <lucian.velea@lexica.ro>:
>
> Great idea. Does anyone know a statistics of number of libraries /
> librarians by country?
>
>
>
> I compiled some numbers here
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Libraries
>
> And started a list of lists that needs to be completed
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_libraries_by_country
>
>
>
> Is anyone interested in contacting national libraries/culture ministries
> so they can provide info about all the libraries for each country?
>
> I have been working in Lists of museums/archives/libraries by country long
> time, but I only find partial lists and the work is slow. How can we make
> these institutions get involved?
>
>
>
>
> All the best,
> Lucian
>
>
>
> On 23.06.2015 9:14, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> Hoi,
>
> That is only librarians in the USA.. Why not think big? There is a world
> out there !!
>
> Thanks,
>
> GerardM
>
>
>
> On 23 June 2015 at 05:51, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If 1 librarian in the USA added one fact or verified / qualified it per
> work day in their spare 2 mins a day.
>
>
>
>
>
> 119,729 Libraries in USA
>
> x
>
> 1 Librarian minimum per Library with internet access...mostly :-)
>
> x
>
> 251 work days in a year
>
> =
>
> 30,051,979 MILLION facts that could be added or verified
>
>
>
> Get the word out,
>
> Thad
>
> +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry>
>
>
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