First some comments: It could be a factor but it isn't main factor. As I said we already had 2+ tries to disable Russian fallback - that were community decisions but they were ignored by devs. Personally I distinguish Ukraine and it's political situation and Wikimedia projects. They have nothing to do one with another save for need of wikiprojects to neutrally describe situation in articles. And most arguments have nothing to do with the situation either. Yes, there are some users who vote because their political views but they do it all the time in spite of what is going on in Ukraine. No, all Russian will not go away after translating - e.g. we already have rubbish Russian aliases of Special pages urls because after translating them to Ukrainian Russian were left and actually deleting these aliases would mean broking a number of links. We don't wan't continuing of producing such rubbish.

I'll try to return the discussion to the original request: could you advise some procedure? Unfortunately I know no more appropriate let's name it institutions who deal with language things. At least if we can't disable it to all MediaWiki sites - what shall we do to disable it in all WMF wikis - I thing it should be quite within competence of LangCom.

Thanks you in advance,
Sincerely,
User:Base

06.02.2014 15:52, Oliver Stegen написав(ла):

Exactly! Why not use such a situation of political discontent as motivation for localisation?!?

The only reason that there’s Russian displayed in Ukrainian wiki products is that these items haven’t been translated yet.

Fwiw,

Oliver

 

From: Gerard Meijssen [mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com]
Sent: 06 February 2014 11:01
To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee
Subject: Re: [Langcom] Deleting of fallback for a language

 

Hoi,

Given the political situation in the Ukraine, it is obviously a reaction to the current regime and the associated discontent. It does however not negate the fact that most people still know Russian. It does however not negate the fact that all Russian will go away by translating the software.
Thanks,

      GerardM

 

On 6 February 2014 08:51, MF-Warburg <mfwarburg@googlemail.com> wrote:

@ Michael, Karen: Naturally it is better if it is all translated into the language itself, but I don't see a reason why one should ignore a community consensus.
It might also be asked whether a fallback introduced after community requests can or cannot be removed in the same way.

What can be said however is that a decision on Wikipedia alone could not be enough since also others use MediaWiki. It could maybe be disabled only for uk.wp.
We should also not forget Langcom doesn't have to say anything about MediaWiki development and configuration; developers do this.

Am 05.02.2014 21:54 schrieb "Bohdan Melnychuk" <base-w@yandex.ru>:

Hi,
Ukrainian Wikipedia community holds vote for disabling Russian fallback language for Ukrainian interface language (https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вікіпедія:Кнайпа_(пропозиції)#Зміна мовного приорітету для оголошень). Could langcom give procedural advices for how it shall be done the right way (e.g. I think there should be links to this vote from portal at TWN and in other Ukrainian Wikimedia projects' village pumps). We have cases when such our requests were not done by developers in spite of community decision so this time we need to know what way we should follow to done it finally.
Sincerely,
User:Base

 

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