Hi all,

> We took on building the stand-alone .EXE functionality only once you had made it clear that you were not interested in taking on this commission, and over email in September 2022 asked us to work on it. In no way have we wanted to take advantage or misrepresent you, and it pains me that you seem to think that.

The fact that WMSE took this on is only awesome and I have supported that all along. At the only point in which I feeled misrepresented, WMSE concluded I had been and unpublished the blog post in question.

> We communicated on our implementation of this both on GitHub (issue<https://github.com/yarl/pattypan/issues/152#issuecomment-1361324110> and PR<https://github.com/yarl/pattypan/pull/173>) and on Phabricator.

This just illustrates my point. A quick look at the progress report reveals that rather than collaborating and being transparent with the project WMSE moved all decision making and underlying research to its own spaces over at Phabricator. Since the pull request reached Pattypan WMSE hasn't worked on its implementation at all.

> We got feedback from you back in spring about our implementation but have not gotten any replies to our questions since then.

If someone decides to abandon work on a patch it will take months for someone else to pick it up, that's how open source works. All the unanswered questions are asking me if I have had the time to look at a solution on my own.

> To ensure it could still be of use to those who wish to use it (incl. the GLAM that commissioned it) we therefore host it separately and take on the task of manually syncing it to newer releases of Pattypan. In no way should that be considered to entail a fork of Pattypan, but rather just an independently maintained download version for some Windows users (i.e. just a binary).

WMSE's "independently maintained download version" still points to Pattypan for support, it uses the same version-identifier as the official version, etc. Even though the project would have no ability to support this "version" given that it's "just a binary". No one involved in Pattypan was even informed.


WMSE shouldn't have done this in the first place, it's a well known no-no in open source, they should have either finished the work started or at least communicated a wish to find an alternative solution. Several solutions come to my mind directly.

Just like posting blog posts about maintainers' inabilities is abusive, bypassing community/open source processes is abusive too. I'm not sure what points WMSE is trying to score with these actions?

Albin


On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 3:05 PM <andre.costa@wikimedia.se> wrote:
Hi all!

Since Wikimedia Sverige’s actions are directly pointed out as the cause above I feel the need to reply to that part in order to give our view on events.

We took on building the stand-alone .EXE functionality only once you had made it clear that you were not interested in taking on this commission, and over email in September 2022 asked us to work on it. In no way have we wanted to take advantage or misrepresent you, and it pains me that you seem to think that.

We communicated on our implementation of this both on GitHub (issue<https://github.com/yarl/pattypan/issues/152#issuecomment-1361324110> and PR<https://github.com/yarl/pattypan/pull/173>) and on Phabricator. We got feedback from you back in spring about our implementation but have not gotten any replies to our questions since then. We interpreted your silence as you not wishing to merge our solution, a decision which we respect. To ensure it could still be of use to those who wish to use it (incl. the GLAM that commissioned it) we therefore host it separately and take on the task of manually syncing it to newer releases of Pattypan. In no way should that be considered to entail a fork of Pattypan, but rather just an independently maintained download version for some Windows users (i.e. just a binary).

Our changes to Commons:Pattypan were intended to be minimal to inform users that this new functionality was available without adding any bloat to the page or trying to supplant any official links. While I didn’t believe it to be necessary at the time I can see now that we could have made it more clear that the .EXE distribution was inofficial/independent.

That said…

While it saddens me to see you stepping down I can fully understand your reasons for doing so. Maintenance is a largely thankless task, not made easier if it is someone else's codebase you have inherited or if it interfaces with services that keep changing.

Thank you for keeping Pattypan alive these last 5 years! Doing so has enabled countless uploads, the lion's share of which would likely never have made it to Commons without your work.

I’d also like to thank you for clearly communicating that you are stepping down. All too often maintainers quietly quit, leaving the users in limbo. This happens independently of if it is an individual or an organization maintaining the software. Your example will hopefully make it easier for someone else finding themselves in a similar position.

If you find it valuable I would be happy to talk with you and see how to best move forward from here, as I assume that we will have interactions about Wikimedia related things in the future.

With respect,

André Costa (WMSE) / Lokal_Profil
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