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Sarah Stierch

15 Sep 2011 15 Sep '11

12:03 a.m.

I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male barbers and men's haircutting culture. Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd... Really needs some gender neutrality... Cosmetology is the closest thing to any article that discusses "hairdressers" "hair stylists" and it's basically a paragraph. Just surprises me..no "hairstylists" content on Wikipedia. If I am missing something, or passing over it, please correct me! Another example on the struggles we have here... (for example, the hair stylist Frederic Fekkai links to barber....and he's an icon of women's hair styling and is considered a "hairdresser" or stylist) -Sarah -- GLAMWIKI Partnership Ambassador for Wikimedia <http://www.glamwiki.org> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch> and Sarah Stierch Consulting *Historical, cultural & artistic research & advising.* ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.sarahstierch.com/

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Sydney Poore

15 Sep 15 Sep

12:17 a.m.

Yes, as you have pointed out in other threads the whole area of women's beauty is a mess. Disorganized and under represented Slight mention of hair stylists here, too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hair_cut . Sydney On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Fred Bauder

12:23 a.m.

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Actually, it's not as bad as you think. No one has written a good hairdressers article. What we have is at Beauty salon, which has little about beauty shop culture. What is needed is a several good articles: probably hairdressing, beauty shop, and beauty salon. Fred

Ole Palnatoke Andersen

2:06 a.m.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last pre-merger version (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338) over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject? Regards, Ole -- http://palnatoke.org * @palnatoke * +4522934588

Fred Bauder

10:31 a.m.

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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article. Fred

Ryan Kaldari

4:09 p.m.

Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Please add to it! Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:

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On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch<sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article. Fred _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

Sarah Stierch

6:54 p.m.

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Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Please add to it! Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:

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Nicole Willson

7:04 p.m.

Interestingly enough, the top Google result for "hairdresser" is the barber article on Wikipedia. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Please add to it! Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch<sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com

> wrote: >> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser >> >> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses male >> barbers and men's haircutting culture. >> >> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd... > Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last > pre-merger version > (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338

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over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject? Regards, Ole

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Sarah Stierch

7:06 p.m.

Hopefully that'll change (I think....?).... I encourage everyone to improve on it and watch the super awesome video I just added from the Netherlands Institute for Sound and Vision. They sure don't do hair like they used to.... :D -Sarah On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Nicole Willson <artisticaltruist(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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Interestingly enough, the top Google result for "hairdresser" is the barber article on Wikipedia. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Please add to it! Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch<

sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>

> wrote: >> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser >> >> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then discusses

male

>> barbers and men's haircutting culture. >> >> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd... > Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer the last > pre-merger version > (

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338)

> over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject? > > Regards, > Ole Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article. Fred _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Ryan Kaldari

7:11 p.m.

Wow, that was fast! Nice work. I think this deserves a DYK :) Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 2:54 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Oh yeah!!! A brief history is added and some statistical data about hairdressers in the US today. /cheer -Sarah On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org <mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org>> wrote: Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Please add to it! Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah

Stierch<sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com <mailto:sarah.stierch@gmail.com>>

> wrote: >> I searched for "hairdresser" and was directed to barber. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser >> >> Kind of interesting, that it directs to barber and then

discusses male

>> barbers and men's haircutting culture. >> >> Surely I can't be the only person who finds this odd... > Did you take a look at the article history? Would you prefer

the last

> pre-merger version >

(http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338 <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairdresser&oldid=238820338>)

over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject? Regards, Ole

Yes, it is as simple as writing a good article. Fred _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap

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Sarah Stierch

7:30 p.m.

Ack! I just nominated something....and you did also! -Sarah (mine was about the 5 foot tall hairdo and Marie Antoinette...) On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

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** Wow, that was fast! Nice work. I think this deserves a DYK :) Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 2:54 PM, Sarah Stierch wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Oh yeah!!! A brief history is added and some statistical data about hairdressers in the US today. /cheer -Sarah On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

Article started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairdresser Please add to it! Ryan Kaldari On 9/15/11 6:31 AM, Fred Bauder wrote:

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 5:03 AM, Sarah Stierch<sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com

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over a redirect to a proper article about the same subject? Regards, Ole

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Sue Gardner

16 Sep 16 Sep

3:14 p.m.

You guys inspired me to do this, last night: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hairstyle&action=historysubmi… It still needs lots of help though -- it needs non-Western material added, plus information about men's hairstyles, plus it needs a nice clean rewrite once it's complete. I might spend a little more time on it this weekend. Or, I might move on to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbag I probably don't need to say this, but these are personal edits, not ED edits. LOL. Thanks, Sue

Steven Walling

3:28 p.m.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Sue Gardner <sgardner(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

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It still needs lots of help though -- it needs non-Western material added, plus information about men's hairstyles, plus it needs a nice clean rewrite once it's complete. I might spend a little more time on it this weekend. Or, I might move on to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbag

Great start. I think http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_hairstyles has some hints at other particular styles/trends to cover for both men and women. I'd also say you should feel comfortable splitting the History of hairstyles into a separate article if gets a lot bigger once men's hair stuff is added. :-) -- Steven Walling Also speaking in my volunteer capacity.

Sandra ordonez

3:35 p.m.

i don't know - an ED that knows the history of hairdos is pretty rad. lololol :) On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Sue Gardner <sgardner(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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