If memory serves, another survey (not sure if before or after the 9%, or where to find it, off the top of my head - maybe someone else remembers?) came up with something like 13% female. So my guess is they added in some margin of error, and decided "less than 20%" was the most accurate way to characterize "maybe 9% or 13% or something in that vicinity, give or take some percentage points". On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Mar 5, 2015 6:22 AM, "Katherine Casey" <fluffernutter.wiki(a)gmail.comwrote: where to find it, off the top of my head - maybe someone else remembers?) came up with something like 13% female. So my guess is they added in some margin of error, and decided "less than 20%" was the most accurate way to characterize "maybe 9% or 13% or something in that vicinity, give or take some percentage points". This, exactly. "Maybe 8.5, 13 or even 16% or so depending on the methodology" doesn't fit on a banner, where brevity is key. We simply don't have one good precise stat that I'm comfortable citing succinctly, other than "its complicated, and under 20%, and still a problem." I don't expect the 2012 editor survey results will give us much more, honestly, than we already know. I'd like to see us working towards a 2015/6 stat though, preferably via repeatable methods that allow for tracking trends over time :) Would be great to see some additional ways of thinking about measuring the gap, too, as folks like Max Klein have done with Wikidata. Research proposals are welcome in this campaign. Siko > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:04 AM, Neotarf <neotarf(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Where does the "less than 20%" number come from? The last survey I see is https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/December_2011_Wikipedia… this one from 2011. On page 34 the numbers break down to 90% male, 9% female, 1% transgender. >>> Sure 9% is "less than" 20%, but it is also "less than" 70% or 100%. This seems really misleading about the scope of the problem. >>> Is there more recent research that has been released, that would justify the use of the 20% number? The last I heard, we were still waiting for the results of the 2012 survey. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Wikipedia_Editor_Survey_2012 >>>>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Alex Wang <awang(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >>>>> Hello Wikimedians, >>>>>>> Today we are pleased to announce the launch of the Inspire Campaign in IdeaLab! >>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Inspire >>>>>>> This campaign aims to encourage, foster, and support new ideas for improving gender diversity on Wikimedia projects. Less than 20% of Wikimedia contributors are women, and many important topics are still missing in our content. We invite all Wikimedians to participate in the campaign on Meta-wiki by sharing your ideas, skills and feedback, and by helping to spread the word in your local communities. The campaign runs until March 31. >>>>>>> All proposals are welcome - research projects, technical solutions, community organizing and outreach initiatives, or something completely new! Grants are available from the Wikimedia Foundation for projects developed during this campaign that need financial support. Constructive, positive feedback on ideas is appreciated, and collaboration is encouraged - your skills and experience may help bring someone else’s project to life. We hope experienced community members will also watch the IdeaLab pages to help keep the discussions positive and constructive. Join us at the Inspire Campaign and help our projects better represent the world’s knowledge! >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Alex & the Inspire Team >>>>> -- >>> Alexandra Wang >>> Program Officer >>> Project & Event Grants >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> +1 415-839-6885 >>> Skype: alexvwang >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Gendergap mailing list >>> Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org >>> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> Gendergap mailing list >> Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: >> _______________________________________________ > Gendergap mailing list > Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org > To manage your subscription preferences, including unsubscribing, please visit: