Hi Ryan,
thanks for your E-mail.
On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 16:13:41 -0700
Ryan Kaldari <rkaldari(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 3/24/13 6:32 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
And all that while not depriving themselves of
sexuality and sexiness among
members of the appropriate sexes (MOTAS), in part because being sexually
attractive (and naturally - not only physically) is indicative of
competence and values, rather than the opposite as was sometimes implied
recently.
You had me up until this point. How is being sexually attractive
indicative of competence and values? By this logic, only Miss/Mr.
Universe winners should run for President.
<A bit of a guy/celebrity/sex talk here - proceed with care and please don't
ban me>
Well, this is a bit polarising. First of all, I'm not a big fan of beauty
pagants like that, in part because a lot of the really attractive (and
honest) girls and boys know better than to enroll, and in part because the
judging there can be extremely tainted. Instead of judging by beauty alone, you
judge by "personality", and a lot of other silly stuff, which yields something
incredibly weird.
Anyway, there are more measures to being sexually attractive than taking first
place at a silly "competitive" contest, and not every Alpha Female or Alpha
Male would be a suitable president or governor or even mayor or boss or
whatever. Would
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wall be a good president?
Would
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christina_Grimmie ? Would
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Lawrence ? (They are all American and
as far as I know - were born on American soil) They have all achieved tremendous
things by now (the latter two despite their youth and despite being female),
but it takes more than that.
And speaking for myself, I would rather have either Ms. Grimmie or Ms. Lawrence
as my girlfriend (and I think most truly competent men like me would too) than
the winner of Miss Universe, which I daresay I proudly admit I don't recall the
name of any of the recent ones, and never cared too to see it). And for the
record, I've seen and met women who were far more beautiful than both Grimmie
and J. Lawrence, but that doesn't make them any less attractive, simply because
when choosing a significant other, I care about much more than looks (despite
the typical stereotype about men).
Anyway, what I'm trying to say? Thing is there's more than just looks that can
make you attractive and that includes your skills. It may seem farfetched, but
having had a conversation with my cousins' cousin (who is a very cute
female, and not a software developer) about various stuff, I ended up mentioning
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shlomif/Freecell_Solver , which is a solver
for
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCell and other solitaire games, and she
went on to ask me about its general algorithm and its evolution (which made
me feel important and coveted).[Freecell]
The whole thing of "you need to love me for who I am" is ridiculous, because a
sexually attractive person is competent, has achieved quite a lot since he
matured, and will likely achieve more (and probably at a bigger capacity) in the
future. I'm not attracted to Christina Grimmie because of her looks, as much as
I am because of her wonderful singing, her great videos, her honesty and
humility in conveying her whereabouts, thoughts, feelings, strengths and
faults; her relentness quest to improve herself and her work from her earlier
videos; her positive and effective way of marketing herself; and her kindness
and support of fellow musicians and artists who are either not as successful as
her (at least not yet), or who are more mainstream (at least for now - ;-)).
And she only turned 19 recently, at which age, back in 5 May 1996, I only
graduated out of high school, worked at a few low-paying jobs as a software
developer, and didn't finish writing the more permanent draft of my first
serious story (
http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/TheEnemy/ if you must know. ),
which I haven't published online for many years, and didn't even have any web
site at any location. And the only videos I published by now on YouTube were two
screen recordings of Freecell deals getting solved automatically, while
reusing Creative Commons music as the background (here -
http://www.youtube.com/user/ShlomiFish/videos?view=0 - one of them got
3,003 views and 5 likes, and two comments from a friend, which I'm still
content with.).
Thing is: I don't want to get involved with females who are 100% my fan girls or
groupies (and probably not very competent), but rather with women who are
competent on their own right, and have a lot for me to look up to, admire -
and find attractive.
Of course, different men (and women) find different women attractive. I was
much more attracted to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_Summers on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer_%28TV_series%29 than I
was to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willow_Rosenberg , but many men and women
whom I talked with seem to have found her more attractive. (And
retrospectively, I can say that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_%28Buffy_the_Vampire_Slayer%29 was purely
awesome. ) Similarly, I at first believed that
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milady_de_Winter was what Neo-Tech calls a
"mystic" or "neocheater", a person who is lazy, incompetent,
destructive
and pitiful, similar
to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Nemo or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra , until I realised that despite being
the typical antagonist / "bad girl" - she was part of the ultimate good in the
story and was sexy, resourceful, and intelligent - sort of like Faith only in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Musketeers .
( It's too bad many authors and writers of fiction wish their antagonists bad
luck and make them die or get out of sight by various means, and I hope I didn't
duplicate this mistake in my own stories, where the antagonists end up
living happily. )
Similarly, I mostly perceived
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Joan_Hart as
"cute" rather than "hot" or "sexy", based on the characters
she portrayed, but
someone I talked with on IRC said she was "a hottie".
Of course, my perceptions are subject to change. I recall a fellow female
student I studied with in the Technion who had a cute face, wore glasses,
kept her hair in a pony tail, and tended to wear something similar to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OshKosh_B%27Gosh , and in general had what I call
the tomboy look, and whom I perceived as cute rather than sexy. However, after
she agreed on her and me becoming partners for a course about algorithms, she
turned out to be competent in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_science
and also was able to competently cope with my inability to contribute to our
last homework sheet ( due to a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypomania ). This
made me quite attracted to her, and then the semester luckily ended, in
part because she was off limits to me due to the fact that she: 1. Already had a
boyfriend, and 2. Smoked cigarettes.
I hope you get my wave, and sorry for the stream of consciousness.
What I was trying to say is that: 1. Sexual attractiveness is indicative of
competence. 2. Sexual attractiveness is a function of much more than looks for
most men like me. 3. Some men may consider physical looks important for a
relationship (like me). Other men can see past that (and good for them). 4.
There are many sexy heroes and heroines and they vary in their fitness and
abilities for various tasks. [Abilities] 5. Those who win some beauty
"race-for-the-1st-place", such as Miss Universe, are not likely to be the most
competent, or even most coveted, females or males around (so-called "Alpha
females" and "Alpha males"), just like most of the lauretes of Nobel prizes
in
physics, did not win some silly physics contest (and there were something
like ten Nobel prize lauretes who all came from a few classes in two high
schools in Budapest, Hungary.)
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
<Footnotes>
[Freecell] I explain why Freecell has been big business in Israel here:
http://blogs.perl.org/users/shlomi_fish/2013/03/ann-my-transition-from-soft…
Quoting:
<quote>
Some people told me that my solver for Freecell and other solitaire games,
simply called Freecell Solver is useless, but it's not - it's just a niche
program. And I received hundreds of E-mails about it. Furthermore, given that
Freecell is (or used to be) a big phenomenon in Israel, where many boys and
girls starting from 18 found themselves playing it on the Israeli military
computers out of boredom, then the fact that I have written a solver for it,
has impressed many people I talked with or met, including some attractive (both
physically and intellectually) young ladies (or what people may refer to as
"hot chicks"), and they ended up asking me about how it was written, and which
algorithms it employed.
So Freecell Solver was one of my most successful programs, not despite being a
niche program, but because of it. Niche programs own. Not only that, but niche
everything is great. Many people whom I referred to my stories helped
themselves to the screenplay Star Trek: "We, the Living Dead" because it
contained Star Trek in the name, and because there are quite a few fans of the
Star Trek franchise and worlds. </Footnotes>
</quote>
[Abilities] I can write very well, and am a good software
developer, and capable at maths, and have many other skills. But I'm not likely
to win a martial arts fight against a competent martial artist, and I'm not
sure I will make a good boss, prime minister of Israel, governor of New York
and/or California, or president of the United States (but I'll be happy to
consult for competent men who will fill this position), and it will take me a
lot of time and effort to record even a half-decent video on YouTube. In Dumas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_Musketeers , Louis XIII delegates the
task of actually managing France to his prime minister, Cardinal Richelieu, not
because Louis XIII was not a good and competent man, but because he knew that
Richelieu was better for that task.
</Footnotes>
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