It is absolutely a global issue.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Was women's rights to vote just a
selfish American thing? Is abortion just something we loud mouth Americans
get frustrated with?
I have seen this first hand as a struggle with WikiWomen from Argentina to
India.
Sarah
On Aug 4, 2014 3:35 AM, "Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight" <
rosiestep.wiki(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Yesterday, on Jimbo's talkpage, section titled
"Sexism on Wikipedia", an
editor wrote: "... Apparently it's very easy to construct this narrative of
'we have a problem, yes we do!' with disregard to rational analysis. It all
has a very shallow American activist feel to it." This infuriated me on
multiple levels and I left a response on Jimbo's page: "This issue may
be near and dear to many -- including those who keep mute for fear of
retribution -- so unless someone can substantiate that the issue is
'shallow', I'd say to avoid referring to it in that way. I'm also
unclear
why this has an 'American activist' feel to it, but I haven't tried to
figure out who lives where. Yes, Lightbreather's examples appear to be
written by Americans, but in my mind, the issue isn't American-centric at
all."
Then I read the post on this list about the anxiety expressed by Latina
women and it underscored to me that this isn't an "American" issue. Where
you sit when you edit doesn't matter as we're part of a virtual community.
Global issue, right??
-Rosie
User:Rosiestep
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> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 09:22:28 -0400
> From: Kathleen McCook <klmccook(a)gmail.com>
> To: "Addressing gender equity and exploring ways to increase the
> participation of women within Wikimedia projects."
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> Getting women to stick around...
>
> I had a class of 25. About 20 women and 5 men. The women, especially
> Latina
> women, expressed much anxiety over various treatments--all over the map.
> Esp. comments and tone of talk pages.Lack of politeness and common
> courtesies.
> Today, a year later, only 2 (of 20) women are editing, but the men have
> become engaged contributors.
>
> Should we tell people at the outset that this is sort of an Outward Bound
> experience? Survival only of the thick skinned? I do believe this is too
> bad. As a teacher if I treated students the way Wikipedians treat new
> contributors, I would be sent for continuing education. Most people want
> to
> edit to contribute, not to be wrangled to the mat.
> Too many women who begin to edit are made to feel belittled, stupid and
> small. This is crazy. So much talent and good will is nattered away.
>
>
> --Kathleen.
>
> Kathleen de la Peña McCook
> Distinguished University Professor of Librarianship
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> On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Pine W <wiki.pine(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Keilana,
> >
> > J-mo discussed similar thoughs in the presentation videos that I just
> sent
> > to some of the other email lists. Perhaps you could brainstorm ideas
> with
> > him and other interested people at Wikimania?
> >
> > Pine
> > On Aug 1, 2014 10:37 PM, "Keilana" <keilanawiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> >> To briefly go back to what Sarah and Marie have said, I do find that in
> >> person hand-holding and social support are the most effective factors
> in
> >> getting women to stick around. I don't know how to translate that from
> the
> >> real-world environment I teach newbies in to the virtual environment
> of new
> >> users' talk pages. I'd love to brainstorm something in that vein,
> though. :)
> >>
> >> -Emily
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:40 PM, A. Mani <a.mani.cms(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Carol Moore dc
> >>> <carolmooredc(a)verizon.net> wrote:
> >>> > Then I looked at this political poster image
> >>> >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Courageous_Cunts.jpg
> >>> > which leads to this site
http://courageouscunts.com/
> >>>
> >>> I think nobody has bothered to write much on the movement.
> >>>
> >>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courageous_Cunts
> >>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labia_pride_movement
> >>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Labia_Project has no content
> >>>
> >>> Contrast that with the content on this site:
> >>>
http://largelabiaproject.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>>
> >>> A. Mani
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A. Mani
> >>> [Last_Name. First_Name Format]
> >>> CU, ASL, AMS, ISRS, CLC, CMS
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http://www.logicamani.in
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http://logicamani.blogspot.in/
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