Hi there Michael, I've attempted to cut and paste the emails. Are you able to see them now? Leilah Hello Dear Wikipedia, I would like to bring to your attention the aesthetic variations between pictorials relating to the human reproductive organs (genitals). The main observation is the aesthetic variances between the human male and human female depictions of genitals. It is also interesting to note the ratio of male genital depictions versus female genital depictions. Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality? I look forward to your response, and thank you in advance. With regards, Leilah Reply Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, Thank you for your contacting us with your concerns with ... 15:51 (3 hours ago) [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:18 (3 hours ago) Hi Aaron, Thanks for your quick response. Censorship was not the basis of my observation, and apologies if this was unclear. I hold the belief that Wikimedia is pro-active in moderating content for balance regardless of position on censorship etcetera. I, too, don't necessarily like censorship especially where education is concerned. That said, it seems there is some inadvert self-censorship of male human genitalia taking effect on Wikipedia. Your response suggests this is by the contributors themselves. I don't want to scare you (I really don't), but it might be interesting for Wikimedia to note the ratio of male to female contributors. In any case, thanks again. Leilah - Show quoted text - Reply Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, The ratio of contributors is quite imbalanced: http://com... 16:25 (2 hours ago) [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:25 (2 hours ago) Hi, I would just like to add that I am embarrassed for you in making the assumption that my observations are based on censorship. L - Show quoted text - Reply Forward [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:31 (2 hours ago) OK, thanks for being so open about that. A gender gap is not unusual. :) I'm not sure how I could/can help. Maybe, at this point in the development of Wikipedia, the gender ratio of moderators is another way... But I guess moderators are appointed on the basis of their input as contributors... I'm sure Wikipedia is working on it. Thanks and best for the day, L - Show quoted text - Reply Forward [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:41 (2 hours ago) Hi again, here is a (somewhat outdated) article on the gender ratio of teachers in London. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373976-discipline-fears-as-fem… Some food for thought on those mailing lists, perhaps? Why not approach schools for contributors? If you haven't already. :) Leilah - Show quoted text - Reply Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, I simply handle releases for images and issues using Comm... 16:43 (2 hours ago) [image: Reply]Reply [image: More] leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:47 (2 hours ago) OK! Thanks! Presumably there is no other way for me. Have a good weekend. Leilah - Show quoted text - On 7 October 2011 18:00, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, and a consistent approach would then evolve - ? On 7 October 2011 21:00, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

I didn't see anything confidential here. OTRS referred her to this list. Fred

Thanks Sarah. Also, Leilah, just in case, I would like to inform you that exchanges with the OTRS agents are supposed to be private, but since you are the customer, it is your decision to make them public. Regards Theo On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 2:29 AM, Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

Leilah, I can see a number of the e-mails attached below, but it seems your first mail (or at any rate the beginning of the conversation), is missing.  Could you outline for us what you said in your original mail? Basically, people here are aware of the problem, are trying to work on it, and further data or specific observations are welcome. Andreas --- On Fri, 7/10/11, leilah ozaibi <email.leilah(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi there Michael, I've attempted to cut and paste the emails.  Are you able to see them now? Leilah Hello Dear Wikipedia, I would like to bring to your attention the aesthetic variations between pictorials relating to the human reproductive organs (genitals).  The main observation is the aesthetic variances between the human male and human female depictions of genitals.  It is also interesting to note the ratio of male genital depictions versus female genital depictions.  Would it not be more consistent to use a more balanced and cohesive aesthetic style across the whole subject of human reproduction and sexuality? I look forward to your response, and thank you in advance.  With regards, Leilah  Reply  Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, Thank you for your contacting us with your concerns with ... 15:51 (3 hours ago) Reply leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:18 (3 hours ago) Hi Aaron, Thanks for your quick response.  Censorship was not the basis of my observation, and apologies if this was unclear.   I hold the belief that Wikimedia is pro-active in moderating content for balance regardless of position on censorship etcetera. I, too, don't necessarily like censorship especially where education is concerned.   That said, it seems there is some inadvert self-censorship of male human genitalia taking effect on Wikipedia. Your response suggests this is by the contributors themselves.    I don't want to scare you (I really don't), but it might be interesting for Wikimedia to note the ratio of male to female contributors. In any case, thanks again. Leilah - Show quoted text -  Reply  Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, The ratio of contributors is quite imbalanced: http://com... 16:25 (2 hours ago) Reply leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:25 (2 hours ago) Hi, I would just like to add that I am embarrassed for you in making the assumption that my observations are based on censorship.   L- Show quoted text -  Reply  Forward Reply leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:31 (2 hours ago) OK, thanks for being so open about that.  A gender gap is not unusual.  :)  I'm not sure how I could/can help.   Maybe, at this point in the development of Wikipedia, the gender ratio of moderators is another way...  But I guess moderators are appointed on the basis of their input as contributors...  I'm sure Wikipedia is working on it.   Thanks and best for the day, L- Show quoted text -  Reply  Forward Reply leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:41 (2 hours ago) Hi again, here is a (somewhat outdated) article on the gender ratio of teachers in London.   http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23373976-discipline-fears-as-fem… Some food for thought on those mailing lists, perhaps?  Why not approach schools for contributors?  If you haven't already.  :) Leilah - Show quoted text -  Reply  Forward Wikimedia Commons Information Team Dear Leilah Ozaibi, I simply handle releases for images and issues using Comm... 16:43 (2 hours ago) Reply leilah ozaibi to Wikimedia show details 16:47 (2 hours ago) OK!  Thanks!  Presumably there is no other way for me. Have a good weekend.  Leilah- Show quoted text - On 7 October 2011 18:00, Michael J. Lowrey <orangemike(a)gmail.com> wrote: On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM, leilah ozaibi <email.leilah(a)gmail.com> wrote: Alas, the email trail in question did not accompany your message. -- Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey "When I get a little money I buy books; and if any is left, I buy food and clothes."      --  Desiderius Erasmus _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Gendergap mailing list Gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap