New subject: Example of Typical Response from Some Women

11 Feb 2011

Howie has the data I believe.  

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From: "Oliver Keyes" &lt;scire.facias(a)gmail.com&gt;
Date: Fri, Feb 11, 2011 5:45 pm
Subject: [Gendergap] Example of Typical Response from Some Women
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects"
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As said, we need a proper survey on the matter. Surveys are always going to
be beset with statistical errors, but this seems a fairly vital thing. I
think I mentioned before that, last year, the WMF did a general survey of
people who had left Wikipedia and why. I think a good first step would be
finding out where that data is and, if it included gender in the filled-out
forms, comparing male and female reasons for leaving. If it did not, take
the general statistical model and apply it again, including a gender entry,
and compare the results.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Sandra ordonez
&lt;sandratordonez(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

...
  I think it does affect women more, but this is just my
personal
 observation. And I should have put "typical response I ve gotten from
 women." This is why i love wikipedia - really helps you be very aware of
 your language. Thanks Oliver!!

 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Oliver Keyes &lt;scire.facias(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

  Yah, that's what I meant; newbie ignorance
isn't a problem. Our attitude
 to newbie ignorance is the problem :P. This is something I think all new
 editors are at risk of (being shouted at and falling off the grid as a
 result) - I'm not sure why it would affect women more, or if it does at all.

 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Dominic &lt;dmcdevit(a)cox.net&gt; wrote:

   Newbie ignorance is never a problem. All newbies
are, by nature,
 ignorant of our policies and practices. We all started out that way. And the
 great thing about wikis is that that is okay and you can still contribute.
 If anything, the problem is intolerance of newbies. (That may be what you
 really meant anyway, but I think it is better to turn that phrase "newbie
 ignorance" around.)

 Dominic

 On 2/11/11 5:49 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote:

 "Typical response from some women" should be "a response from a
woman".
 So the problem, then, is newbie ignorance about our rules and policies?

 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Sandra ordonez <
 sandratordonez(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

  Just wanted to share. Yesterday I put something
on my facebook re:
 gender gap. My friend from high school, who totally would be a woman who
 would enjoy editing an encyclopedia, posted the following:

 "Whenever I edit it usually gets taken down but some OCD nerd, that
 probably wants no one touching "their" site so I stopped bothering."

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