I've been following this discussion with interest, but have hesitated chiming in because I've never attended an NYC meetup and being in the Pacific Northwest, probably never will be.  However, I've had some experience with this kind of thing, so I figured what the heck.

I've been involved in many groups in which this kind of thing (inappropriate behavior by males) has happened--churches, 12-Step groups, self-improvement organizations.  These groups are usually voluntary organizations that tend to attract people (men and women) who have issues with social interaction and communication skills.  As a result, many have never learned how to behave appropriately in public settings.  I feel that Wikimedia also tends to attract these kinds of people--you know, the stereotypical geeky computer guys, who often lack in social skills.

For example, I was in a group recently in which a man drove away potential new members because he hit on every new woman who walked in the door.  His behavior made it impossible for it to be a safe place for the growth and development of all its members.  One time, he complimented me on my appearance during a meeting in front of everyone, which was inappropriate in that setting.  I'm not shy about confronting people if necessary, so I called him on it immediately and publicly.  I also felt confident that other members present would back me standing up for myself.  Other boundaries were established and enforced with him, and eventually, he left the group.

There was a time in the history of this group when it was unhealthy enough to allow that kind of behavior, and the membership shrunk as a result.  I strongly believe that healthy groups attract healthy people.  Conversely, unhealthy people avoid healthy groups.  It's also often the case that it takes just one or two toxic people to make groups toxic, and sometimes the only way to make a healthy group is to rout them out.  Yes, you want to be inclusive, but that doesn't mean you should allow inappropriate behavior, because that ultimately kills a group.  I've seen it happen too many times.

My recommendation, based on my experience, is to confront the offenders and if necessary, give them the choice of behaving appropriately or leaving.  Set and enforce boundaries; if they refuse, kick them out of the group.  This is necessary if you want your meetings to be safe places for everyone, men and women.

Christine
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:36 AM, Pharos <pharosofalexandria@gmail.com> wrote:
To clarify, there was one rather obnoxious commenter at the beginning that day (the "typo for herstory" guy), and who we had eventually to shut up (and who was indeed also somewhat disruptive to a couple of other presentations later in the day).

However, to my impression I did not experience anything like a general negative reaction by the audience; indeed many women and men I talked later to found it to be the highlight of the conference.

(And in particular, I don't think I can understand Mr Brenner's rather strange interpretation of the applause for a well crafted Prezi-type presention.)

This is a very legitimate concern in general, however, and I certainly do agree the NYC chapter should look into adopting the best policies for an open and friendly environment (and borrowing what has worked for other movement partners), and this will be on our agenda for both the newly-elected board and members.

Thanks,
Richard
(User:Pharos)


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Sydney <sydney.poore@gmail.com> wrote:
In general chapters and other organizations who are affiliating with WMF and receiving funding should have policies and programs that support diversity of the WikiMedia Foundation projects.

I could see a pattern of harassment at a chapter's events adversely effecting funding.

I ask chapters and other organizations in the WikiMedia Foundation family who are struggling to get a situation involving harassment under control to reach out to people who can help.

I'm interested in hearing an update on the progress the NYC Chapter is making.

Sydney

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On Jun 26, 2013, at 10:34 AM, Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why not push the AffCom to make safe events, with appropriate policies
> and enforcement, a condition of affiliation? That way, even
> recalcitrant organizations would have a strong incentive to take
> appropriate steps to establish event environments free of harassment,
> heckling, etc.
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