On 6/25/2014 11:50 PM, Sarah wrote:
 

​We've got Wikipedia:Gendergap that we could do something with, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias/Gender bias task force, which has members but hasn't been active.

Sarah

Thanks, Sarah.  The first links to Meta. I completely forgot about the Gender Bias task force which I signed on to but evidently unwatched during some period of frustration.  Of course, the task force only focuses on working on articles, not behavior problems women editors need help with.

Re: issue of discussing content vs. behavior issues off wikipedias, I just remembered a recent ANI where a female editor complained that a male editor was criticizing her harshly on a few off-wiki sites for problematic content in her science-related edits.  While he was judged insensitive, he wasn't sanctioned and such off wiki criticism was supported.  One editor wrote that "Criticising the quality of an editor's work, whether here or elsewhere, is not harassment. " and "If you would like to curtail editors' freedom to speak out about Wikipedia's failings in public, this in itself will be a media story, and rightly so." Should behavior toward women be considered as part of editors' work??

For more details on this case see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive835#Harassment
(Also see the resulting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editor_review/Cwmhiraeth about the complaining female editor and another editor's complaint about it being a "show trial" at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive838#Wikipedia:Editor_review.2FCwmhiraeth ) Perhaps the  female editor was judged too assertive in looking for DYKs and Good articles, while didn't fact checking/referencing carefully enough. Not stereotypically female behavior?

However, questioning behavior too aggressively off wikipedia evidently remains a no no. I was once blocked for a week for asking an editor whether his overwhelming history of editing in articles about bondage of females was related to his obvious and annoying harassment of me on a noticeboard, after which I mentioned the issue on the Wikia Feminism page which I thought was a part of Wikipedia (duh).  The latter evidently was the bigger "no no". 

These are the kind of stories we used to tell here but don't any more. Where can we??

Is Wikipedia ready for women discussing how to deal with specific issues involving bad male editor behavior on or off wikipedia. Would a concerted effort by women to get the community to OK that work?   Of course, a concerted effort to just consciousness raise on the issues generally would be great. There is a facebook group where occasionally something specific is mentioned.  And going straight to ANI with problems you aren't sure about is difficult; even going to ANI with real problems and real diffs can be fruitless, especially if you are up against people who just make stuff up and don't even provide diffs.

Perhaps the Gender Gap task force at least could allow links to actual ongoing ANIs/Editor Reviews/Arbitrations/noticeboards/etc.

One thing that I could not find searching en.Wikipedia is an Essay called something like KEEPING WOMEN ON WIKIPEDIA  that would deal explicitly with the problems women face and the various solutions, going though the list of Dispute resolution options, Wikiprojects and other support efforts, including at Meta.   Also include some of the points mentioned in the Geek Feminism article linked by Valerie: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Statement_of_purpose:_communities_including_men

Of course, we would need some admins willing to quickly ban disruptive (probably male) editors from editing that essay.

Such an essay could be linked to a number of relevant projects and help pages and copied to all the languages.

Thoughts?  

CM