Fred,

I agree with you.
Especially with handkraft information, there won't be 'references'.
You can't reference what your grandmother or great-grandmother taught you.
Same is true with fairytales or folklore.
I'd like to post some of the Irish tales my grandmother taught me.
I haven't seen them published.   It would be a shame for them to die
because some bonehead decided there should be a published 'reference'.
Which means I won't be able to post what I know, what isn't in any of the
hundreds of sewing books I own, from the 19th century til 2011.
So, I'm rethinking my plans of eventual posting.  I don't want to get caught in a shit storm.
What I love is what I love, I don't want it spoiled by argument.

Plus Danese's article about the car wasn't self-published, so where's the catch?
Let it stand...

- Susan
 
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 15:48:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Fred Bauder" <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Woman posting on Wikipedia about knitting,
       needs investigating
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects"
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> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 13:35, Sarah Stierch <sarah@sarahstierch.com>
> wrote:
>> Wow, the talk page is insane, and is one reason why I "gave up" in the
>> beginning.
>>
>> I might take a stab on my own userspace to re-write this article. I'm
>> somewhat addicted fixing crappy BLP's. Perhaps I'll send it your way
>> (here)
>> before I post it.
>>
> Could someone say again which article and talk page we're discussing?
> I've looked at this one --
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danese_Cooper -- but can't see the issue.
> Ditto with the talk page.
>
> Sarah

Here is the removal of the information about knitting:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

Removed again:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=347000261&oldid=345360328

This is where it was put in:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/w/index.php?title=Danese_Cooper&diff=prev&oldid=341488635

Seems harmless enough, and hardly requires a substantial reference.

Fred