I have a simple question to ask:  How many people in this thread have publicly or privately requested to the Wikimedia Foundation ED that additional resources be assigned to trust and safety issues such as death threats? 

There was an annual plan posted for about three days of community comment back in May/June.  Did anyone in this thread say "wait a minute, we think you have your priorities wrong here"? 

I'm a little stunned that several people including those with years of activism under their belts would think that complaining on a mailing list that is at most hosted by the WMF (and certainly not controlled by it or monitored by it) would result in changes.  The English Wikipedia community can't tell WMF staffers what to do: we're not their employers, we don't set their objectives or their job descriptions, and so on.  The lack of additional resources comes right from the top here.  If you want it, you need to be telling the Board, you need to be telling the ED, and you need to be telling the Senior Director of Community Engagement, Luis Villa.  This list isn't gonna do it.  Posting on Wikipediocracy is the equivalent of throwing coins in a well.  Focus your attention on the people who have control of the money and persuade them this is something more important than...I don't know, whether notifications are flagged using one tag or two...

Risker/Anne

On 26 September 2015 at 16:29, J Hayes <slowking4@gmail.com> wrote:
rupert,
i and carol have a somewhat different experience with the police. it is unclear if i would trust them to keep identity confidential. WMF should act regardless of legal status. this merry go round of not providing clear lines of responsibility and action (other than round file) is part of the systemic problem. 

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 4:07 PM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner@gmail.com> wrote:
risker you are joking? a death threat is a case for the police not for the wikimedia foundation. wikimedia foundation is not a para-military or para-police organization replacing standard legal systems, the wikimedia community is also not a community outside other legal systems, with special rules applying. the police has the means to deal with it professionally. 

carol, if you get a death threat, why are you afraid of the police? you pay taxes and at the end of the day you are paying their salary, and are usually very welcoming? 

rupert

On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 9:05 PM, Risker <risker.wp@gmail.com> wrote:
The WMF may or may not help editors who are receiving death threats via their email systems - I'd venture to guess that in the majority of cases they're handled by admins or CUs or arbitrators by the expedient of blocking the accounts with email turned off.  If you're saying you really don't want police involved, then I don't know what you'd expect the WMF to do over and above blocking the same accounts and the same IPs that can (and often are) blocked by volunteers. 

I do not suggest that harassment via email (up to and including serious death threats) is a minor matter, but that the "emergency@wikimedia.org" is for threats of harm to self or others that are published onwiki where there is concern that police or other authorities should be informed because there is an imminent risk of harm. Keep in mind that that email address is staffed by a grand total of six people (the Community Advocacy team) to cover the entire world.

Risker/Anne


On 26 September 2015 at 13:59, Carol Moore dc <carolmooredc@verizon.net> wrote:
I was referring to threats to kill someone that clearly come from a known Wikipedia handle or editor, or, as in my case, a person who is known because it's the same kind of message they have been known to send to various others many times before.

In my case threats were sent through Wikimedia Foundation email and evidently that's what this person - and perhaps others - enjoys doing. At the very least advice to contact the Foundation also should cover such abuses. (Obviously if it's an anonymous person through another email system, it's a different issue. Though I believe the Foundation was happy to help Sitush when he was getting those kind of messages.)

As an activist I'm reluctant to deal with authorities unless it is VERY real and imminent. Those who want to report it would assume their only recourse is to go straight to the police who then will be the ones going to the Foundation to sort it out.

That is the specific issue I was addressing and the person who does that evidently is back to doing it, so perhaps others are doing it too and women are just quitting Wikipedia without telling anyone why.


I wrote:

On 9/26/2015 12:27 PM, Risker wrote:
Neotarf is correct, it is the guideline to address suicide threats and
similar threats of serious harm to self or others (e.g., "I'm going to
go shoot up my school")  - in other words, that guideline is intended to
capture situations where there is a reason to contact police or similar
authorities because of an imminent threat to safety.  The person adding
the link probably did not really read through the point of the page.
Speaking personally, I'd be pretty offended if I complained that someone
was harassing me and was linked to a page about reporting suicide
threats. Note that one of the shortcuts is [[WP:SUICIDE]].

I have removed that as a "Main article" because it's not really about
harassment.

Risker/Anne

On 26 September 2015 at 11:52, Neotarf <neotarf@gmail.com
 <mailto:neotarf@gmail.com>> wrote:

    @Carol Moore, I believe that link is about suicide threats.  Did you
    mean to link to something else?

    On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Carol Moore dc
    <carolmooredc@verizon.net <mailto:carolmooredc@verizon.net>> wrote:

        Because of an offline discussion about the 1000 odd death
        threats I got directly through the Wikimedia Foundation email
        system and my failure to remember personally contacting them (as
        opposed to admins) about it, I decided to see if the Harassment
        article mentioned that option.

        I did a little research and found it was not til July 22, 2015
        that the harassment article section on "threats" provided a link
        to the WP:Essay that specifically advises this!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Harassment&diff=672630056&oldid=672391122

        Now why can't the threats section include that info? Certain
        some well-connected editors have learned how to work that angle
        with the foundation for even minor issues...

        There's a huge section on what to do about threats of legal
        action, but zilch on death threats. Pretty absurd...  Safe
        space, NOT!!*

        Thanks...


        CM

        *Of course, there's a difference between legitimate safe space
        from actual direct insults or threats of harm and the absurd
        degree of hypersensitivity now a days where there are trigger
        warnings on any opinion that someone might disagree with and
        protests against opinions that just aren't politically correct
        enough... but don't get me started...

        A lot of articles about it lately have exposed the absurdities
        and hypocrisy of some individuals and groups. And I can
        understand the fear of some male wikipedians they will be
        exposed to the most extreme varieties.  It also gives the most
        oppressive guys an excuse to label minor and legitimate demands
        for safe space as "extremist." ("You extremist, you want to
        mention contacting the Foundation on the Harassment page!!!")

        Glad I'm not in college! Or any "progressive" political groups
        any more.  Especially now that I am finally free of having to be
        a "good girl" on Wikipedia and can engage in anti-establishment
        mockery and sarcasm in my writings/artistic endeavors without
        worrying about wikistalkers slamming me all over Wikipedia ;-)

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