You are basically correct.  She had a rather rural territory so she spent more time driving between offices than anything else.  She didn't even have a desk.  At least not in any sort of sense like the one I am chained to.  But I imagine her internet use was a great deal less when she was working in general terms.  She certainly never considered starting a blog until after she had quit and began to spend a lot more time *reading* blogs.  Yet during the past year when I imagine she has discovered a number of new things on the internet beside coupon blogs, she hasn't discovered Wikipedia.   

I am certain you are right that sitting at a desk has an impact on contributions.  However I was frankly flabbergasted that she did not even understand *what a reader* would use Wikipedia and had difficulty explaining it, hence my failed effort to prove she had used it without realizing it by looking through her past google searches.

Birgitte SB

From: Sandra ordonez <sandratordonez@gmail.com>
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects <gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 8:27:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [PRESS] Discovery News: Is There A Gender Gap Online?

LOL. i think lots of the hours I logged in were for researching personal interests or time killing....I'm sorry, I didn't express it well, but essentially in offices, particularly in the afternoon, people's internet use sky rocketed. I suspect b/c they want to appear busy, but are surfing. But I imagine this is a reality that affects who is contributing. Since you said she was a pharmacy rep, I just imagined she spent lots of time in face to face interactions, meeting with doctors etc. ...not chained to a desk, etc.


On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:52 PM, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well she no longer works.  But certainly she had little use for it (and little
time for the internet at all) when she did work.  I do occasionally use Wikpedia
for work to confirm chemicals being asked for (i.e. Was Muriatic Acid another
name for Hydrochloric acid or Hydrofluoric acid)  Chemical names are very
non-standard on the application side.  For five years an co-worker from Albania
had been asking people for where in the hardware store he might find the Calcium
Hydroxide for a special recipe. He knew it was a commonly used item but had been
completely unable to locate it in America and everyone would tell him they had
never heard of it.  Finally I looked it up on Wikipedia and said "Oh you want
LIME."  And that is the majority of my work-time usage of Wikipedia, figuring
out answers for the water-cooler.

Birgitte SB



----- Original Message ----
> From: Sandra <sandratordonez@gmail.com>
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
><gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 4:59:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: [PRESS] Discovery News: Is There A Gender Gap
>Online?
>
> Brigitte I bet it's also that she doesn't use for wikipedia for work.
> I think  there was some study that showed that wikipedia and similar sites (in
>japan or  England maybe) were accessed during work hours. I wish i could
>remember the  details
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 16, 2011, at 5:37 PM,  Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb@yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message  ----
> >> From: Sue Gardner <sgardner@wikimedia.org>
> >>  To: gendergap <Gendergap@lists.wikimedia.org>
> >>  Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 12:51:48 PM
> >> Subject: [Gendergap] Fwd:  [PRESS] Discovery News: Is There A Gender Gap
> > Online?
> >  <snip>
> >>
> >> So when it comes to gender and the  Internet today, the more  pertinent
> >> question isn’t whether more  men or women are surfing the Net,  but
> >> whether they’re surfing  the Net differently.
> >>
> > <snip>
> >
> >  Completely anecdotal but I had an interesting conversation with my sister on
>Jan
>
> > 15.  She happened to be in-town staying the weekend with me and my  hosting
> > duties conflicted with the last minute WikiX meet-up so I asked  her to
>come.  In
>
> > talking about this she asked me, "What do people  use Wikipedia for
>anyways?"  I
>
> > couldn't believe she had really  been unexposed to WP so I took her iPhone
>found
>
> > the Google app and went  through the whole alphabet on letter at a time to
>see
>
> > her previous  searches (BTW with her permission!).  None of them would have
> >  brought her to Wikipedia.  The large majority of them were shopping
>related.
>
> > She has her BA, was a pharma rep until recently becoming  a SAHM.  Her
> > traditional nuclear family with 2.5  kids has  two laptops, an  older
>desktop,
>
> > and some kind of system that  allows the TV to be a internet  browser.
>Age-wise
>
> > she falls  in-between GenX and the Millennials.  She uses the internet daily.
>
> >  Online she is really into coupons, shopping, and plans to start a cooking
>blog.
>
> > And she honestly hadn't come across Wikipedia enough to  understand what it
>was.
>
> > Before this conversation I would have  never believed that someone who
>considers
>
> > becoming a blogger would had  no understanding of what Wikipedia was and why

> > people *used* it (i.e.  as opposed to why they edited it).
> >
> >
> > In  comparison, we are about the same age and spend about the same about of
>time
>
> > online in our daily lives. However, I live alone, never finished my  degree,
>work
>
> > at an unremarkable office job, own a single laptop, don't  even have a smart

> > phone, but I have edited Wikipedia and Wikisource  since 2006.  I suspect it
>is
>
> > the more basic life-style differences  rather than the internet based ones
>that
>
> > fuel the gender gap.I think  this study raises a good point the internet
> > participation, or likely a  life-style well integrated with internet
> > technologies, has no  correlation with Wikipedia editing.  The internet isn't
>
> > what it  was ten years ago. So while good internet access is imperative for
> >  participation in the wikis, the internet is too big and ubiquitous for us to
>
> > assume any longer that everyone with good internet access will be  brought to
>
> > Wikipedia.  Even though that was true in the  past.
> >
> >
> > Complete speculation: I think this shows  up stronger with women than men,
> > because more men were early adopters  back when the internet invariably led
>to
>
> > Wikipedia.  I don't think  that amoung populations just getting good internet
>
> > acces today that  this gender gap will be quite so large.  Although I still
> > believe  that the fact the interesting-to-men-topics have been so
>well-covered in
>
> > Wikipedia by those male early adopters will ensure that the gender gap
>continues
>
> > without intervention. (i.e. the gap might shrink in these  populations
>because we
>
> > will gain less of the men rather than gaining  more women.)
> >
> > Birgitte SB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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