hi @all,
I have two questions,
A. @list admin*
B. in general
A.
I think that on
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mailing_lists
in the list following
"The public mailing lists for the Wikipedia project include:"
gendergap
should be added.
how to describe the intention of this list?
is this information still current?
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
B.
... and I always wonder why stats creators are so sure about "knowing the gender" of users behind user
names - btw, either/or, apparently counting only two genders ...
I would like to suggest that the list description for this list
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/gendergap
not repeat any such number in its list description, and certainly without pointing to the source of this
information
I also wonder what such statistics in particular may be intended to hide... as far as I am informed any stats
(are designed to) hide more than they show ;-)
thanks & cheers,
Claudia
koltzenburg(a)w4w.net
Hi @all,
I recently mailed an inquiry to a wikipedia list and it seems to me that the thread that ensued might be
interesting data for study, possibly in the light of gender gap issues
the thread starts here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/pywikipedia-l/2012-May/007514.html
btw, let me know if you have any idea (or know of someone who might have) for the actual topic of my
inquiry, I mean: how to figure out the right query and where start the query etc.
thanks & cheers,
Claudia
koltzenburg(a)w4w.net
This just came across my radar:
http://www.meetup.com/Austin-All-Girl-Hack-Night/
It's an event for female coders in Austin, TX. I wonder if there are
technically-inclined female MediaWiki developers and assorted
Wiki[pm]edia code slingers in the Austin area who might want to
attend.
--
Tom Morris
<http://tommorris.org/>
Hi everyone,
This came across my radar and might be something some of you might have
interest in it!
http://www.ozwit.org/index.php/upcoming
From the website:
*NZ_OzWIT 2012: Building New Pathways *
<http://www.ozwit.org/index.php/upcoming>
"Inaugural NZ_OzWIT Conference /12th Australian Women in IT Conference
10th -- 12th October 2012, Christchurch, New Zealand
We invite *industry representatives, academics, researchers, school
teachers and students* involved in broadening the participation of women
in information technology to meet and share programs, discuss strategies
and assess progress towards increased diversity of our exciting profession.
International keynote speaker *Professor Dame Wendy Hall* DBE FRS FREng,
Dean, Faculty of Physical and Applied Sciences, University of Southampton"
-Sarah
Earlier today, I posted a thread on Reddit's AskTransgender group asking for feedback on how Wikipedia handles transgender issues, specifically BLP and pronoun issues.
http://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/tejwl/is_wikipedia_handling…
Feel free to respond here or there.
This followed discussions relating to the widely-reported announcement by Tom Gabel, the lead vocalist and guitarist for the punk band Against Me!, of their intention to transition, and also previous discussions I've had by email with a UK-based transgender non-profit.
It almost feels like how we handle gender identity and transgender issues on-wiki is a nice little litmus test for the community's wider attitudes to inclusion (as well as handling of sensitive BLPs).
--
Tom Morris
<http://tommorris.org/>
This is a little off-topic in not being about wikis. But here are two
recent nice overview news articles about the state of the
science/engineering gender gap [focused on the US]:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/04/science-engineering-and-the-gen…http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/science/giving-women-the-access-code.html…
I found the second article especially interesting, and was especially
struck by how hands-on and one-on-one the approach was in this school
(it helps that the college is tiny, wealthy, and fairly prestigious,
and thus can afford to do this). It made me think about how many of
our own efforts are also one-on-one and hands-on (editing workshops,
the teahouse), and what the appropriate balance of effort is between
trying to make big systemic change, and trying to increase diversity
one new editor at a time. Or is it even possible to do one without the
other?
-- phoebe
Google just released their participation data regarding the upcoming
Google Summer of Code (or winter of you are on the other side of the
world :) )
" The program set another record this year: the highest percentage yet
of women accepted. 8.3% of our accepted students identified themselves
as female, versus 7.1% percent last year. Overall the percentage of
women accepted has slowly but surely increased every year since 2006."
http://google-opensource.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/google-summer-of-code-2012…
Great news!! I'm curious how a more collaborative and mentor-based
short-term project like Summer of Code could perhaps encourage higher
participation in Wikipedia. One could say, "Oh, we have that with the
Global Education program," but, perhaps there is more to learn from
Google's summer projects and the opportunity for intimate learning
relationships from experienced coders.
(Summer of Wiki!? :D )
-Sarah
p.s. thank you Donna Benjamin from kattekrab.net for sharing the link.
--
*Sarah Stierch*
*/Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/*
>>Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today
<https://donate.wikimedia.org/><<
Hi all -
As was announced several months ago, I am now one of the moderators of
this list.
Some time ago, there was a discussion on this list about behavioral
standards for this list. There was widespread agreement in the
initial thread that it's important for this list to remain a safe
space for discussion, even if that means enforcing a behavioral
standard higher than is the norm on other Wikimedia mailing lists. I
think that given the nature of this list, it would be especially,
extraordinarily, unusually counterproductive to allow a consistently
combative or consistently uncivil environment to take root here.
Given the previous thread about it, and some off-list conversations
I've recently had, I know I am far from the only list member to feel
that way.
Given this, I'm going to change how the moderation of this list is
handled a little bit moving forward. Previously, there has been no
hands-on moderation of this list. From now on, there will potentially
be some. It won't be draconian - and really, I hope it'll never be
used at all - but I think it's important to guarantee that the
atmosphere of this list remains friendly, and I wanted to announce how
I will be approaching it.
If, after an initial direct request to change their behavior, anyone
behaves in a way that is significantly disruptive to this list, a way
that is consistently uncivil, or a way that consistently makes other
list members feel uncomfortable participating on this list, I will be
putting them on +moderate, which means that all of their emails will
be held until I approve them - and I'll only be approving emails that
don't do those things. I obviously don't mean that dissenting
opinions aren't okay; I think they should always be welcomed and
moderation will not be done on the basis of the opinion someone
expresses. But, I do think that all opinions can be expressed in a
civil way that doesn't make other list members feel uncomfortable.
We could create an enumerated list of rules trying to cover every
scenario that could come up, but I don't think that would be necessary
or productive. I think that most people realize when they stop over a
line - and if they don't before someone else speaks up about it, they
certainly should afterwards. I normally watch most traffic on this
list, but I don't always (this week is finals for me :).) If you have
a complaint about someone's behavior that you think needs moderator
attention that has been missed, please send me a direct email. If
someone else emails you asking to change your behavior or expressing
discomfort in your posting style, please take a minute to step back
and see if there could be something to their request. It's
understandable that sometimes tensions will run high on gendergap
issues and no one will be moderated unless their posts are
consistently problematic even after being approached about it.
Feedback on this is welcome, although the basic idea (that members
whose presence is disruptive to this list being a safe space) is
unlikely to totally change.
Thanks,
Kevin Gorman
(user:Kevin Gorman, formerly user:kgorman-ucb)
I think it would be wise to NOT engage in the conversation about who
deserves respect and why/why not. I keep looking at the potential outcomes
for this conversation and see all the ways it could go poorly. :)
My recommendation is that we focus on behaving respectfully rather than
judging or questioning the judgement of others as worthy or not, including
behaving respectfully in the way we judge each other's recommendations.
Warm regards,
Gayle
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> From: B?ria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt>
> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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> Subject: Re: [Gendergap] civility/behavioral standards
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> Why do you write in capitals letters?
> _____
> *B?ria Lima
>
> **Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>
>
> On 8 May 2012 16:19, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Okay. Why DOESN'T Sarah deserve your respect?
> >
> > From,
> > Emily
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM, B?ria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Obviously not from me, or we would not having this talk.
> >> _____
> >> *B?ria Lima*
> >>
> >> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> >> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> >> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8 May 2012 16:02, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sarah has earned respect. Please give it.
> >>>
> >>> From,
> >>> Emily
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:01 PM, B?ria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt
> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> And who will make me Emily? How old are we that we need to have people
> >>>> sitting on the corner?
> >>>>
> >>>> And authority and respect is not something that is there for miracle,
> >>>> you need to earn it.
> >>>> _____
> >>>> *B?ria Lima*
> >>>>
> >>>> *Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> >>>> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> >>>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 8 May 2012 12:46, Emily Monroe <emilymonroe03(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You know what, Beria? At the very least, you will have to respect
> >>>>> Sarahs' authority. You're going to have the respect the authority of
> every
> >>>>> moderator, male, female, or other, and respect the right of
> *everyone* to
> >>>>> participate on this list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From,
> >>>>> Emily
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:42 AM, B?ria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt
> >wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, people like her are the only one i will respect to moderate
> me.
> >>>>>> For obvious reasons, I will not accept any moderation coming from
> Sarah and
> >>>>>> I don't think that list should be dominated by a men.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Btw, if someone do more for women than Laura, who had the very idea
> >>>>>> of a Woman's Camp (WikiWomenCamp - who already got a daugther - The
> >>>>>> AdaCamp) I don't know who should. The fact you like her or not is
> >>>>>> irrelevant. (Will you remove Sarah or Sue based on that?)
> >>>>>> _____
> >>>>>> *B?ria Lima*
> >>>>>> *
> >>>>>> Imagine um mundo onde ? dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de
> ter
> >>>>>> livre acesso ao somat?rio de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> >>>>>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 8 May 2012 10:52, Thomas Morton <morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com
> >wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 8 May 2012 14:42, B?ria Lima <beria.lima(a)wikimedia.pt> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I still waiting for see someone else other than him on moderation.
> >>>>>>>> Did you already invite Laura?
> >>>>>>>> _____
> >>>>>>>> *B?ria Lima*
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'd suggest that Laura is possibly not a good moderator candidate
> >>>>>>> given her extremely strong viewpoint; I'd be concerned she would
> moderate
> >>>>>>> posts, for example, on the basis they came from a man, rather than
> on
> >>>>>>> behavioural merits - or at least that this would influence her
> moderator
> >>>>>>> actions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Indeed, her earlier posts on this thread IMO serve as an example of
> >>>>>>> divisive material/rants that would need moderator attention.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tom
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Hi everyone,
I wanted to send a second reminder about *AdaCamp DC*, which will take
place in (you guessed it!) Washington, D.C. on July 10-11. We
intentionally wanted it to take place during Wikimania since we have a
strong cross-over of attendees. So far we've had a remarkable response
from the international community, with attendees ranging from everywhere
including Australia to Burma, the United Kingdom to Poland!
From the website:
" AdaCamp is an Ada Initiative <http://adainitiative.org/> event focused
on increasing women's participation in open technology and culture.
AdaCamp brings together people to build community, discuss issues women
have in common across open technology and culture fields, and find ways
to address them. Open technology and culture includes open source
software, Wikipedia and other wiki projects, open data, open government,
fan/remix culture, open libraries, and more. Attendance is by invitation
and attendees are selected from qualified applicants through an open
invitation process. Attendance is open to people of all genders. The
first AdaCamp was AdaCamp Melbourne <http://melbourne.adacamp.org/>, in
January 2012."
http://dc.adacamp.org/
We hope you'll join us and please apply. Also, feel free to forward this
onto your colleagues, cohorts and comrades!
Sarah
--
*Sarah Stierch*
*/Wikimedia Foundation Community Fellow/*
>>Mind the gap! Support Wikipedia women's outreach: donate today
<https://donate.wikimedia.org/><<