Thanks Steven - I appreciate that you fought the good fight and I'm
disgusted that comments about T&A were some of the key reasons for this
feature.
While I've seen my fair share of anime videos (Tentacles and /all/ that
involves) - It was an epic fail when I was looking up an image with my
65 year old father and that was the image on the front page. The first
question he asks is: "This is the organization you volunteer for?"
Images like this have their place, and despite the artistic skill of the
contributor it is really disappointing that this was chosen to showcase
quality media on Commons. it sets back the work of those of us working
towards broadening gender equality and female involvement in Wikimedia.
I also am proud of my new title of being a Regional Ambassador and I am
working towards becoming a GLAM Ambassador - images like this being
showcased do 'few wonders' for my efforts in regards to fighting the
uphill battle to show Wikipedia, Commons, etc. as reliable and quality
starting points for research, development and cultural dissemination.
#wikilove,
Sarah
On 5/15/2011 10:48 PM, Steven Walling wrote:
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 7:31 PM, CherianTinu Abraham
> <tinucherian(a)gmail.com <mailto:tinucherian@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Surely I'm not the only one who noticed this lovely gem of a photo
> of the day today. In my work environment - NFWS.
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>
> Direct link to image:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:On_the_edge_-_free_world_version.jpg
>
> I mean really? /facepalm
>
> This is the kind of imagery I have no desire to see on the front
> page of Commons. I'm a very liberal person, but, this makes me not
> want to even allow my MOTHER to use Commons.
>
> #wikilove,
>
> Sarah
>
>
> I feel exactly the same way. This is an insult to the people who value
> the educational spirit of Commons.
>
> I attempted to argue that the image didn't meet the featured criteria
> of Commons, but was drowned out by voters such as the one who argued
> without irony, "{{Support}} I like her big tits".
>
> Whether or not Commons should host such images is really a separate
> argument than whether we want to feature topless anime as the best of
> the content we have.
>
> Steven
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So you're arguing that the woman is topless in order to conform to realistic
portrayals of indigenous people? That's the biggest pile of bullshit I've
heard in years.
Every few months one of the usual suspects nominates porn to be featured on
Commons and we have to go through the same circus-show all over again. It's
always porn for a male heterosexual audience, and it's always defended with
cries against the evils of censorship and disingenuous arguments about the
"educational value" of the image. I'm all for Commons hosting a wide array
of uncensored images, but I'm tired of seeing the Main Page being used as a
fap gallery for fanboys. Whether you agree with it or not, featuring such
images is distasteful to a lot of people - and not necessarily because they
are "prudish" or "religious". I don't see how exercising editorial judgement
about our public image and being respectful of women is "compromising our
core values". Driving people away from the site and eroding our reputation
as a serious educational resource do nothing to improve the project. If you
want to fight against censorship, help defend the "Rape", "Rape statistics",
and "False accusation of rape" articles against antimisandry.com. Or better
yet, file a DMCA counter-notice to restore the links in the "Texas
Instruments signing key controversy" article. For some reason people don't
seem as concerned about the real incidents of censorship on our projects.
Ryan Kaldari
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:53 AM, Aaron Adrignola
<aaron.adrignola(a)gmail.com>wrote:
> Commons is not censored. It's a beautiful scene and it would be expected
> that the an imaginary tribal member would not have the American
> sensitivities to toplessness. Some images may offend. Some articles may
> offend. We're not going to compromise our core values just to try to close
> a "gap" that some feel is such a big issue, if it even exists.
>
> On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:31 PM, CherianTinu Abraham <
> tinucherian(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> FYI
>>
>> Regards
>> Tinu Cherian
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Sarah Stierch <sarah(a)sarahstierch.com>
>> Date: Mon, May 16, 2011 at 7:33 AM
>> Subject: [Gendergap] Photo of the Day on Wikimedia Commons
>> To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects <
>> gendergap(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>>
>>
>> Surely I'm not the only one who noticed this lovely gem of a photo of the
>> day today. In my work environment - NFWS.
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>> Direct link to image:
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:On_the_edge_-_free_world_version.jpg
>>
>> I mean really? /facepalm
>>
>> This is the kind of imagery I have no desire to see on the front page of
>> Commons. I'm a very liberal person, but, this makes me not want to even
>> allow my MOTHER to use Commons.
>>
>> #wikilove,
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Wikipedian-in-Residence, Archives of American Art
>>
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>> Historical, cultural & artistic research, advising & event planning.
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Hey all,
Apologies if this isn't the appropriate list/discussion to post to; I learned a lot by following the last BLP discussion, so I'm hoping to get some advice here. It's a question that as a technology consultant I'm asked a lot, and I don't have the greatest answer...
I have a friend & colleague, a popular young NYC feminist, who's got a Wikipedia page. She's often been the subject of multiple troll/flame/stalking/etc wars, online and off, for many years now-- she was a favorite target of Anon and 4chan/b/ at one time, to give you an idea. Her page is rather sparse, but often people swing by and add inflammatory and other negative material to it. Since she's not *that* well known, her page isn't watched/edited by enough people to keep that in check, and she's often left frustrated that this material figures so prominently in her profile.
I told her the best thing for her to do is find people in her community who can add more biographical information and really flesh out her page, so that anything negative has at least more balance to it. Since her community is mostly women, we butt up against the gendergap issue... there just aren't that many women (esp feminists) who are into this work. She's asked on multiple occasions if I or other consultants can be paid edit the page for her, but I advised that this not kosher in the community.
So, she's feeling extremely stuck. She's not supposed to edit her own page, she doesn't have a strong enough community to maintain her page, and she can't pay anyone to do it. What to do? I understand, and she understands, that negativity is just part of the Wikipedia world; but having it be so prominent, and most of it being inflammatory, is just... ugh. So much of her work has been extremely positive and productive, I just hate to see her being recorded in history this way.
Any advice is greatly appreciated.
dz
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Hello (and please pardon the crossposting),
I am a Ph.D. researcher at the Digital Enterprise Research Institute in Galway, Ireland. My Ph.D. topic is online discussions, specifically the reasoning and arguments people use. I am currently studying Articles for Deletion in English Wikipedia, to understand how article deletion decisions are made.
I am working on a prototype argument assistant to help newcomers understand what kinds of arguments make sense, much in the way that the Article Wizard provides guidance for creating an article. From reading discussions, I am learning what kinds of arguments people use in AfD, especially to see what comments advance the discussion. Next I need to get some perspectives from editors!
I'm looking for Wikipedians to interview about the deletion process. I envision a 30 minute skype or phone conversation. I'm interested in learning about what works well in AfD discussions, any frustrations you have with it, and why you generally do or don't !vote in AfD.
I hope to talk with Wikipedians with a wide variety of experience editing (from newcomers to EN-WP, to regular EN-WP editors, to admins, especially admins who close discussions), with people who spend little time commenting in deletion discussions, as well as those who do.
Would you be willing to talk with me? Let me know the best times for you; you can reach me at jschneider(a)pobox.com or with the info below.
-Jodi Schneider
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