On 08/17/2013 04:35 AM, Benoît Evellin wrote: I agree that notifications should be important in keeping people engaged (more so once there are useful cross-wiki notifications like "You Commons image was used on the Paris French Wikipedia article"). Some of this (e.g. newsletters) is intended to be in the scope of Flow (eventually), if I understand right. I believe there is a version of this on every wiki (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Watchlist_notice). It looks like Commons has some enhancement (maybe using site JS), but I wasn't easily able to find details. Matt Flaschen

On 08/17/2013 02:45 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: Are there any docs for the Commons version? Matt Flaschen

Thank you for the links Benoît Le 17 août 2013 22:06, "Quiddity" <pandiculation(a)gmail.com> a écrit :

On 08/17/2013 02:59 PM, David Gerard wrote: Active editors, including highly active editors, are definitely important. I consider the term "power user" a neutral term, not a disparaging one. If people have used it disparagingly, that's unfortunate. Of course, I agree that power users should be encouraged, not disparaged. We need to ensure new tools are usable for both new and experienced users whenever possible. That is a key goal for VE, even though more work needs to be done to make it a reality. Matt Flaschen

On Saturday, August 17, 2013, David Gerard wrote: I think you've interpreted my use of the term as disparagement, regardless of whether i intended it that way. When I've used it in the context of VisualEditor discussions, what I'm saying is that VE is not for people who've made tens of thousands of edits. That's self-evident. I don't think it's disparaging to say a certain feature is not designed for a certain type of user, and that the opinion of experienced editors is not equivalent to actually asking new contributors what they want from VE. A more frank way of putting it is that just because you've made 50,000 edits and have opinion, it does not make that opinion relevant to every situation. That's just the truth. -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/

On 17 August 2013 23:38, David Gerard <dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote: That's a bit terse. My point is that relations between WMF staff and said "power users" was *extremely* rancorous over the VE; and that this was not helped at all by the attitude of WMF staff. I had corresponence with staffers over their use of personal attacks, disparagement of disagreement and personalisation of disagreement. The cultural attitude amongst at least some WMF staff was clear: they regarded power users as a problem, and didn't consider relations with them to be worth the effort. Now, that may be a defensible attitude - but not if you ever, *ever*, need any of these individual people onside with you, ever at any time. (I would have thought this obvious, but the behavioural evidence says otherwise.) If WMF decides that keeping power users onside is the thing to do, then the past behaviour of staff will need to be accounted for. Let's assume the people in question do in fact have memories. - d.