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Today's Topics:
1. Re: WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An
Intimate Relationship (1/2)
(Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director)
2. Re: WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An
Intimate Relationship (1/2) (Robert Connolly)
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 17:55:43 +0530
From: "Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director"
<shriheeran@gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Education <education@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance,
and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)
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Thanks a lot for you Richrad, Your reply given me a refreshment. Hope I
will give your answers if anyone tell something wrong about wikipedia.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Richard Nevell <
richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk > wrote:
> Hello Shriheeran,
>
> I think if academics say Wikipedia can't be used as a source, we should
> say that's absolutely correct. The English Wikipedia has a policy
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability# >Wikipedia_and_sources_that_ mirror_or_use_it
> which says that Wikipedia isn't considered a reliable source. Instead of
> citing Wikipedia, people can use it as a starting point for research.
>
> Wikipedia is very open about where its information comes from, and even
> includes warning when articles might not be high quality. I can't think of
> another website which would include a warning to readers that one of its
> pages might contain a point of view, or might need more fact checking.
>
> When you talk to academics about Wikipedia, is there anything in
> particular you're asking them to do?
>
> Regards,
> Richard Nevell
>
> On 16 February 2017 at 00:23, Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director <
> shriheeran@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got
>> from Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can
>> edit wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given
>> to each points there and temples such as citation needed are put in
>> WIKIPEDIA. What do you think about this? I am from srilanka.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John <john.kleefeld@usask.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate
>>> Relationship (1/2)* http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological
>>> order:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It *
>>> http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC
>>>
>>> *What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? *
>>> http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y
>>>
>>> *How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And
>>> Transforming Wikipedia *http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7
>>>
>>> *The Wikipedia Manifesto *http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kleefeld
>>>
>>> Associate Professor, College of Law
>>>
>>> 2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness
>>>
>>> University of Saskatchewan
>>>
>>> 15 Campus Drive
>>>
>>> Saskatoon SK S7N 5A6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel: (+1) 306.966.1039 <(306)%20966-1039>
>>>
>>> email: john.kleefeld@usask.ca
>>>
>>> skype: johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> twitter: @johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> web: http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john. php
>>>
>>> mission: http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/ president/Missi
>>> onVisionValues.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Education@lists.wikimedia.org
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best.
>> Shriheeran Logeswaran.
>>
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>
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 08:07:11 -0600
From: Robert Connolly <robert.connolly@gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia Education <education@lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Education] WikiProjects, Article Importance,
and Article Quality: An Intimate Relationship (1/2)
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To be clear, the link Richard references does not say that Wikipedia is not
reliable. Here is the exact quote from the link Richard provided:
"Content from a Wikipedia article is not considered reliable unless it is
backed up by citing reliable sources
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_ >.reliable_sources
Confirm that these sources support the content, then use them directly."
This consideration is true of any resource, whether Wikipedia, a website, a
printed book, a journal article or whatever. The issue is not Wikipedia
but how folks do research. Personally, I find Wikipedia's reliability has
only increased with time. Here is my argument on how Wikipedia is
appropriately used as a scholarly research tool:
http://wp.me/pJf2X-Aq
and here:
http://wp.me/pJf2X-OV
I conclude that the problem is not whether one uses wikipedia in their
research or not, but how they are actually conducting their research. I
agree that the Wikipedia pages are an excellent starting point for
research.
Robert Connolly
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 4:38 AM, Richard Nevell <
richard.nevell@wikimedia.org.uk > wrote:
> Hello Shriheeran,
>
> I think if academics say Wikipedia can't be used as a source, we should
> say that's absolutely correct. The English Wikipedia has a policy
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability# >Wikipedia_and_sources_that_ mirror_or_use_it
> which says that Wikipedia isn't considered a reliable source. Instead of
> citing Wikipedia, people can use it as a starting point for research.
>
> Wikipedia is very open about where its information comes from, and even
> includes warning when articles might not be high quality. I can't think of
> another website which would include a warning to readers that one of its
> pages might contain a point of view, or might need more fact checking.
>
> When you talk to academics about Wikipedia, is there anything in
> particular you're asking them to do?
>
> Regards,
> Richard Nevell
>
> On 16 February 2017 at 00:23, Wikimedia Among Scouts :Executive Director <
> shriheeran@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just I had a meeting with an it acadamic professionalist, the things got
>> from Wikipedia are not accepted as valid. Because they say that enyone can
>> edit wikipedia. That's the reason.But I said to that references are given
>> to each points there and temples such as citation needed are put in
>> WIKIPEDIA. What do you think about this? I am from srilanka.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:15 AM, Kleefeld, John <john.kleefeld@usask.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Colleagues, here is my fifth blog post, the first of a two-part set.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *WikiProjects, Article Importance, and Article Quality: An Intimate
>>> Relationship (1/2)* http://bit.ly/2lH9hjJ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And here are the links to the previous four, in reverse chronological
>>> order:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Wikipedia’s Gender Bias – and What Your Students Can Do About It *
>>> http://bit.ly/2kOkSMC
>>>
>>> *What Does It Mean to Say That “Anyone Can Edit” Wikipedia? *
>>> http://bit.ly/2jqMV5y
>>>
>>> *How Students Are Learning Medicine and Collaborative Skills, And
>>> Transforming Wikipedia *http://bit.ly/2jt5fH7
>>>
>>> *The Wikipedia Manifesto *http://bit.ly/2jGlAc1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yours truly,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> John Kleefeld
>>>
>>> Associate Professor, College of Law
>>>
>>> 2017 Teaching Fellow, Gwenna Moss Centre for Teaching Effectiveness
>>>
>>> University of Saskatchewan
>>>
>>> 15 Campus Drive
>>>
>>> Saskatoon SK S7N 5A6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tel: (+1) 306.966.1039 <(306)%20966-1039>
>>>
>>> email: john.kleefeld@usask.ca
>>>
>>> skype: johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> twitter: @johnkleefeld
>>>
>>> web: http://law.usask.ca/find-people/faculty/kleefeld-john. php
>>>
>>> mission: http://www.usask.ca/leadershipteam/documents/ president/Missi
>>> onVisionValues.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Education mailing list
>>> Education@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best.
>> Shriheeran Logeswaran.
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Richard Nevell
> Project Coordinator
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> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
> United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
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