Hey Brandon, Appreciate your explanation re: Latin-script only discussions around fonts. Great to hear that you intend to lead a i18n issues discussion later this week. As you may know, the i18n team has done a fair bit of work with webfonts, fontography, non-Latin scripts and best practices. I would like the i18n non-Latin team members to also join this discussion to provide context along with Siebrand and Pau. Good to know. Thanks, Alolita On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 6:44 PM, Brandon Harris <bharris(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > > So, before everyone's snark-o-meter goes off the charts, I think it may help to provide some context for Vibha's email. > > It was sent during a design meeting where we were discussing typography and the pros and cons (from a design standpoint) of mixing serif and sans-serif fonts in the same page. Further, the discussion was starting to rathole around "which serif stack to use" and "which sans serif stack to use" and her mail was an attempt to cut through a bikeshed conversation. > > On Sep 18, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) <smazeland(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM, Vibha Bamba <vbamba(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> Here is a comparison of serif and sans serif typefaces. >> >> This is great, Vibha. I can clearly see that not all serif and sans >> serif typefaces are alike. >> >> I did know that not all scripts are alike. Can you please provide the >> same comparison for all these MediaWiki supported scripts, because >> most were missing? (script codes in ISO 15924[1]) > > --- > Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > > _______________________________________________ > Localisation-team mailing list > Localisation-team(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/localisation-team -- Alolita Sharma Director of Engineering Wikimedia Foundation

Another interesting resource for this conversation: http://cssfontstack.com/ Clicking the info (i inside a circle) shows the % of users on the web (no clue how this is calculated) that have this on their system. - Trevor On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Brandon Harris <bharris(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote:

It's true, those are different fonts, one being a revised version of the other. But at screen text sizes and similar weights they are quite close, and when aiming to take advantage of consistency across platforms without the use of web fonts I think it's reasonable that they are grouped. Don't be a type snob. ;) - Trevor On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Daniel Friesen <daniel(a)nadir-seen-fire.com > The inclusion of "Helvetica Neue" in the Helvetica and Arial sets makes > me doubt the trustworthiness of that resource. > > ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] > > On 12-09-19 8:45 AM, Trevor Parscal wrote: > > Another interesting resource for this conversation: > > http://cssfontstack.com/ > > Clicking the info (i inside a circle) shows the % of users on the web > (no clue how this is calculated) that have this on their system. > > - Trevor > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 10:18 PM, Brandon Harris <bharris(a)wikimedia.org>wrote;wrote: > >> >> On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:11 PM, Alolita Sharma <asharma(a)wikimedia.org> >>> >> > I would like the i18n non-Latin team members to also join this >> > discussion to provide context along with Siebrand and Pau. >> >> I actually would prefer to keep the number of participants in >> this conversation small so that we can retain focus. I'm fairly certain >> that Siebrand has enough vim and vigor about the subject for everyone. >> >> >> --- >> Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Design mailing list >> Design(a)lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Design mailing listDesign@lists.wikimedia.orghttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/design > > >